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If you go to the Dr, they will ask you if you have a shotgun or firearm. And it's reasonable that they do.
Dealing with depression - suicidal thoughts - Join the conversation (including helpline details)
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It was the tone and attitude that irked me. And then when I told the other half she told me the questions they asked about me and if I was abusive. Not in a good way either she said. Basically assuming i was . Call it guilty until proven innocent. Like i said , some have "things" that they bend people to fit into.
Plenty of others are more than happy to keep you coming back rather than solving the problem to. (I know this from my daughter who was going to a pyhc) . $$$$$$ still rules people regardless of what their profession is.
Plenty of others are more than happy to keep you coming back rather than solving the problem to. (I know this from my daughter who was going to a pyhc) . $$$$$$ still rules people regardless of what their profession is.
Dr put me on some happy pills so we’ll see how it goes I got some good family my step son has been really helpful to me and I’m grateful for his support been to see a friend who is a retired psychologist he said it’s an accumulation of things that has built up over time and it will go away starting to feel a bit better about it today thanks for your comments
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Indeed, I suppose that it is ~ in the case of someone intent on ending their lives ~ except of course, if someone is that determined, they'll find another way.
The problem arises when the ownership of firearms is used as a tool and when there's no justification. I can be a bit quick off the mark sometimes and I can let fly AND I own firearms. Does that make me a risk? It doesn't, because there are limits to my levels of ire. Would I ever be considered to be a realistic danger to others? …….. only if I believed my life to be at risk, and never to win any argument.
I'm not of biblical goodness, nor am I a risk to others. Could a verbal confrontation with a.n.other put my Rights and privileges at risk? Most probably.
The world's gone mad.
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Most of us will dislike the idea of meds when it's the simple events of life that we're struggling with, but if your prescription helps you to lift yourself out of the rut, then THAT will afford you the luxury, perhaps, of looking back over your shoulder and from that, I'm sure that you will pick your way over the stepping stones.
Well Done and crack on soldier!
It’s probably been the busiest today this thread has been for a long time. In the height of summer when everyone was busy there were not many posts. Got me thinking the onset of Autumn with shorter days and more time to overthink things is having an effect on folks mental health
Christoph1945
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Most of us will dislike the idea of meds when it's the simple events of life that we're struggling with, but if your prescription helps you to lift yourself out of the rut, then THAT will afford you the luxury, perhaps, of looking back over your shoulder and from that, I'm sure that you will pick your way over the stepping stones.
Well Done and crack on soldier!
It helps if we can think of the meds as crutches to help us through a tough spot, when our minds may have been sprained, or strained.
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It increases the risk. There is already pressure on firearms ownership. O e death is seen as too much - and the inevitable ratchet up of controls.
We live in a risk averse society. For reasons you can infer I don't have / would not expect to be granted a firearm or shotgun certificate. I'd be sad for those who have them removed but not as sad as those who go to the Dr on grounds of mental health who *don't* get them removed and then go on to use them.
42 percent of farmer suicides (2000 study) had an owned firearm or shotgun as the means. That's the reason why.
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Well done. As mentioned, they are one tool in the box. I hope they also referred you to some other kind of help, and that you embrace it. Note that, for longer term users of tablets, you may find that doses or products need adjusting or changing, and that there may be unwanted side effects.
Mirtazapine seems to be a popular choice but note it may take a couple of weeks to really kick in.
It should be noted that certain medications may cause various effects in the *ahem* bedroom department, so if one cause of anxiety stems from this, you need to cross the bridge and mention it to the Dr before they give you something that will give you the libido of a panda, or infact quite the reverse.
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…. and how many were car owners and used a car to go and buy the cartridges? How many of those who die by hanging own a length of rope? How many who die by the ingestion of barbiturates have prescribed meds ……..
We live in a risk-averse society ~ a clear and obvious fact, but it now occurs to me, that we really do, don't we? ~ an example of the change; 50 years ago I passed my car driving test and just before the Laws changed, with my car licence came a Class 1 HGV licence.
When I look back on some of the heavily over-loaded 32 ton lorries that I drove and at the un-governed speeds, it's a wonder that any of us came through unscathed. let us now look at the safety standards which are every day and common place for our lorries today ~ looking at the improvements of brakes, suspicion and steering ~ with the application of a heavy dose of risk-aversion, we will never turn the clock back, despite the fact that the risk is now reduced, and by a substantial degree.
You're entirely right, it's all down to Risk Aversion which is the illegitimate offspring of the Nanny State.
I could get on a roll here, you can tell!!
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A description which I once read of a Panda was that it was; …. 'a creature which eats, shoots and leaves' …. the comma is mine, btw!
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This is so true, long dark nights and miserable weather always effect my mental wellbeing.
For me November is the worse, just after the clocks go back!
With harvest or other busy times, you focus your mind on the job. But when its over, you are in danger of collapsing in a big heap that leads to depression.
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Can't beat sunshine, warmth, blue skies....
....sand, palm trees, equal day length.
....sand, palm trees, equal day length.
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Beat me to it. Removing the guns while leaving a farmer with access to the farm and a car achieved nothing but added stress.…. and how many were car owners and used a car to go and buy the cartridges? How many of those who die by hanging own a length of rope? How many who die by the ingestion of barbiturates have prescribed meds ……..
We live in a risk-averse society ~ a clear and obvious fact, but it now occurs to me, that we really do, don't we? ~ an example of the change; 50 years ago I passed my car driving test and just before the Laws changed, with my car licence came a Class 1 HGV licence.
When I look back on some of the heavily over-loaded 32 ton lorries that I drove and at the un-governed speeds, it's a wonder that any of us came through unscathed. let us now look at the safety standards which are every day and common place for our lorries today ~ looking at the improvements of brakes, suspicion and steering ~ with the application of a heavy dose of risk-aversion, we will never turn the clock back, despite the fact that the risk is now reduced, and by a substantial degree.
You're entirely right, it's all down to Risk Aversion which is the illegitimate offspring of the Nanny State.
Unless real help is provided at the same time I'd contend it's actually negligent. At least if the patient uses their gun to end their lives it is usually quick. Other methods can be much more cruel and involve other people (crashing the car on the road or staying in front of a train for example).
Christoph1945
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The debate about accessibility of firearms set me thinking about the whole situation and I got to wondering if the doc could, perhaps, recommend removal of a shotgun from a farm, just in case the wife should actually shoot her husband.
Some time before the first lockdown I was trying to cut a piece of reinforced carpet tile and didn't want to go out to the shed to get the Stanley Knife (it was hissing down) and opted for a large pair of very sharp decorating scissor. Having flipped opened the blades I held the scissors firmly in my right hand and commenced to score said carpet tile along a line marked on the surface.
All was going quite well, until the scissors bucked and the blade being used jumped and ran the length of my left thumb (on the side) from tip to knuckle. The thumbpad opened up like a mini-mouth vomiting blood.
A quick consultation with Margaret, my wife, and I wrapped said thumb in kitchen roll and drove my self to the local A&E to get me thumb patched up.
A lovely Irish nurse calmly tended to my injury, whilst we chatted about my historical Irish sir name. When I actually mentioned the high suicide rates in farming she frowned and said it's funny you should mention that ........... the last time I was back home and having a drink in a local bar I asked about X and was told that he was dead; he just walked out to the barn one night and hung himself, no one knows why. Shotgun confiscation in that case would have been of no help!
I believe that some farmers in India choose to drinking weed killer to commit suicide and there must be a whole number of other ways to slip off this mortal coil.
Some time before the first lockdown I was trying to cut a piece of reinforced carpet tile and didn't want to go out to the shed to get the Stanley Knife (it was hissing down) and opted for a large pair of very sharp decorating scissor. Having flipped opened the blades I held the scissors firmly in my right hand and commenced to score said carpet tile along a line marked on the surface.
All was going quite well, until the scissors bucked and the blade being used jumped and ran the length of my left thumb (on the side) from tip to knuckle. The thumbpad opened up like a mini-mouth vomiting blood.
A quick consultation with Margaret, my wife, and I wrapped said thumb in kitchen roll and drove my self to the local A&E to get me thumb patched up.
A lovely Irish nurse calmly tended to my injury, whilst we chatted about my historical Irish sir name. When I actually mentioned the high suicide rates in farming she frowned and said it's funny you should mention that ........... the last time I was back home and having a drink in a local bar I asked about X and was told that he was dead; he just walked out to the barn one night and hung himself, no one knows why. Shotgun confiscation in that case would have been of no help!
I believe that some farmers in India choose to drinking weed killer to commit suicide and there must be a whole number of other ways to slip off this mortal coil.
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@Christoph1945 whether this is such a place and for such a discussion, I'm unsure, but as we're mostly adults and just about all, thinking-people, perhaps there's no harm ……..
When I first joined this hugely worthy and I believe equally important group, I relayed the event when it truly occurred to me and in an entirely logical manner, that there was an alternative …….. and here's the interesting point (for me anyway!); what I was facing ~ a Court appearance at the behest of the local and certainly gay-section of Trading Standards, and not because of what I'd done, but actually, because of what I'd omitted to do …….. and the point is that had they won the day, which they didn't, the applied for levy wouldn't have bankrupted me …….. but still it occurred to me as an option.
My point is that when Inquests were/are held, the term all so often used once was 'Whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed ….' and as the story was told to you by your Irish nurse, I'm quite sure that all so often the decision is taken almost as a spur-of-the-moment decision. Following on from my own frightening experience, I'm quite certain that many wouldn't have taken the decision an hour earlier, and had they the luxury of time, perhaps not an hour later.
There is for many, a tipping point where the turmoil becomes intolerable and takes over ~ the point where they/we no longer consider the anguish and chaos from which those who care for us may never truly recover, they/we can focus on just one outcome. We have Faith, we have Hope and we have Charity ~ without Hope, we have very little.
Farming really is the strangest existence ~ the public generally imagine the rural idle and some old fool leaning over a field gate chewing a bit of straw ~ the reality is that for many, it's an assumed trap and one where the trip pan is 'responsibility'. A local and relatively small farmer decided that he couldn't continue any longer - his Estate was valued in excess of £1,000,000 ~ FFS he was a Millionaire ~ most would consider that he had everything to live for.
Should anyone feel that this post is inappropriate, please do message me and I'll delete it immediately.
When I first joined this hugely worthy and I believe equally important group, I relayed the event when it truly occurred to me and in an entirely logical manner, that there was an alternative …….. and here's the interesting point (for me anyway!); what I was facing ~ a Court appearance at the behest of the local and certainly gay-section of Trading Standards, and not because of what I'd done, but actually, because of what I'd omitted to do …….. and the point is that had they won the day, which they didn't, the applied for levy wouldn't have bankrupted me …….. but still it occurred to me as an option.
My point is that when Inquests were/are held, the term all so often used once was 'Whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed ….' and as the story was told to you by your Irish nurse, I'm quite sure that all so often the decision is taken almost as a spur-of-the-moment decision. Following on from my own frightening experience, I'm quite certain that many wouldn't have taken the decision an hour earlier, and had they the luxury of time, perhaps not an hour later.
There is for many, a tipping point where the turmoil becomes intolerable and takes over ~ the point where they/we no longer consider the anguish and chaos from which those who care for us may never truly recover, they/we can focus on just one outcome. We have Faith, we have Hope and we have Charity ~ without Hope, we have very little.
Farming really is the strangest existence ~ the public generally imagine the rural idle and some old fool leaning over a field gate chewing a bit of straw ~ the reality is that for many, it's an assumed trap and one where the trip pan is 'responsibility'. A local and relatively small farmer decided that he couldn't continue any longer - his Estate was valued in excess of £1,000,000 ~ FFS he was a Millionaire ~ most would consider that he had everything to live for.
Should anyone feel that this post is inappropriate, please do message me and I'll delete it immediately.
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It's about accessibility. And the figures don't lie. In the past farmers had a) access to the "tools" and b) no access to "help". Now if you go to the Dr, it is likely that they will seek to a) remove the tools if they think it is a risk and b) provide access to "help". This is a good thing.
I reiterate that it is still down to the person to make that step to seek the help, but at the same time this forum shows that connecting with people who have either "been there" or had similar issues is simpler than it used to be.
It wouldn't surprise me if on paper a whole lot of us are millionaires. But at the same time, there will be a whole heap of issues based on thing like "frittering", "different money", "legacy", "doing it for the children".
I reiterate that it is still down to the person to make that step to seek the help, but at the same time this forum shows that connecting with people who have either "been there" or had similar issues is simpler than it used to be.
It wouldn't surprise me if on paper a whole lot of us are millionaires. But at the same time, there will be a whole heap of issues based on thing like "frittering", "different money", "legacy", "doing it for the children".
Christoph1945
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When things were at their worst for me and all my days were darkness and the rumbling of the nearby trains were inviting me to just end it all, one thought occurred to me ......... what if having done the deed I would be in a much deeper situation and then there would be no way out; a thought worth holding onto.
Why is it, I wonder, fall off our tractor and break an arm and a leg and we instantly call for help but in matters of the mind we tend not to?
Pride, perhaps, can stop us from admitting that we are breaking up mentally but if we can reach out for help and support we can begin the process of recovery and avoiding a deeper journey.
Why is it, I wonder, fall off our tractor and break an arm and a leg and we instantly call for help but in matters of the mind we tend not to?
Pride, perhaps, can stop us from admitting that we are breaking up mentally but if we can reach out for help and support we can begin the process of recovery and avoiding a deeper journey.
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I didn't kill myself as I thought I'd not quite do it right, and be left a vegetable conscious of the hurt I'd caused and locked in the horror of my own mind forever.
As mentioned in regards to support, as a UK citizen however bad it gets you know that the State is there to pick you up even if you loose everything - wife, kids, money, house, health. You pay the tax so use the service. It's not difficult to just......start again. Better than being stuck in the rut.
As mentioned in regards to support, as a UK citizen however bad it gets you know that the State is there to pick you up even if you loose everything - wife, kids, money, house, health. You pay the tax so use the service. It's not difficult to just......start again. Better than being stuck in the rut.
