Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
I have seen several cases where drivers come up behind a bike go past and turn straight in . If you care to come to my village I can promise a few times up and down the high street it will occur to you.
New Highway code rules ffs
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Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
I am recruiting for a man with a red flag to walk in front of my car. Seems the only way forward really.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Point 4 if there are left turns ahead there are a percentage of drivers who cut straight across without using their wing mirror , so I'm forced to pull over into the car lane to avoid this , it's not nice being flattened by a car , I see this on a regular basses and have had my bike driven over
On point five if that was a car on your inside would you cut left on him if he was level with you
Point 4 “… not oblige to even if present”
Well, it was a total waste of time and money making cycle lanes then. If cycles lanes are present, it should be obligatory to use them
Point 5 … cars are much more visible than cyclists. If you’re a vulnerable road user (pedestrian, horse rider, cyclist or motorcyclist), you are a fool if you don’t walk/run/ride defensively
When you dead, you dead
That’s just plain bad driving … of which there are plenty of examples.
It is my opinion that the change to the Highway Code is not going to make a jot of difference and will actually lead to more road rage esp if the more militant cyclists choose to ride in tandem because the Code says they can
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Where do you draw the line with point 4?
I have overtaken cycles with hundreds of yards to go before I want to turn left into a road, perfectly safely with no risk to either party. I’ve then indicated left and slowed down in accordance with the law, only for the cyclist to have caught me up and, despite me indicating left, undertake me on my left side as I am about to turn left. This was in the BigA with trailer on the back.
I knew he was there and I knew he was bawling at me to stop (I always drive with windows open a chink for this very reason, to be aware of what’s going on)
I had stopped and had no intention of turning in front of him. He couldn’t go past me because the hedge was overhanging by this point so I stopped and got out to have a word with him. He gave me a load of abuse and turned his bike round, cycled back past my machine and then went round the right side of me and away.
It’s this kind of madness that annoys drivers. I dare say everyone on here is a good cyclist, but there are so many that take the most stupid of risks it’s unbelievable.
One chap overtook me when I was indicating right once. I knew he was there and told him through my open window to use his f**king eyes, at which point he ripped the mirror off the car I was driving (not my car) and rode off.
On the giving a wide berth point, there are many times when cyclists ride in a group and it would be impossible to give the stated amount of room if you would like to overtake them in a vehicle. I guarantee the more ignorant and belligerent of cyclists will see that as an opportunity to cause immense trouble.
I have overtaken cycles with hundreds of yards to go before I want to turn left into a road, perfectly safely with no risk to either party. I’ve then indicated left and slowed down in accordance with the law, only for the cyclist to have caught me up and, despite me indicating left, undertake me on my left side as I am about to turn left. This was in the BigA with trailer on the back.
I knew he was there and I knew he was bawling at me to stop (I always drive with windows open a chink for this very reason, to be aware of what’s going on)
I had stopped and had no intention of turning in front of him. He couldn’t go past me because the hedge was overhanging by this point so I stopped and got out to have a word with him. He gave me a load of abuse and turned his bike round, cycled back past my machine and then went round the right side of me and away.
It’s this kind of madness that annoys drivers. I dare say everyone on here is a good cyclist, but there are so many that take the most stupid of risks it’s unbelievable.
One chap overtook me when I was indicating right once. I knew he was there and told him through my open window to use his f**king eyes, at which point he ripped the mirror off the car I was driving (not my car) and rode off.
On the giving a wide berth point, there are many times when cyclists ride in a group and it would be impossible to give the stated amount of room if you would like to overtake them in a vehicle. I guarantee the more ignorant and belligerent of cyclists will see that as an opportunity to cause immense trouble.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
I will be a bitch now. You say if riders choose to ride. Judging by existing observation the local Peletons here will certainly choose to express this new found entitlement. Hey ho.
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- Ceredigion
Cycle lanes don't take account of the 5% that drive dangerously , you made my point for me , I have to pull off the cycle lane to ride defensively
But what's your point
We have 3 options , Ban bikes off the road, cars and bikes take more care , or carry on as we are and more cyclist get hurt and killed , I cant cycle about in the hope that someone will check their mirror before turning left , when your in town you may have cars coming up on the right lane constantly, you have no idea what their intentions are
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
To not be obliged to use a provided cycle lane is just plain bloody nonsense. Even the most belligerent of cyclists must see that.
I don’t expect for one second I can be allowed to drive in the cycle lane which is empty because all the cyclists are in the outside lane.
What it means of course is that cyclists can, and will, constantly swerve about changing lanes at any speed and any point they want to.
The good cyclists amongst you must know that’s going to happen.
I don’t expect for one second I can be allowed to drive in the cycle lane which is empty because all the cyclists are in the outside lane.
What it means of course is that cyclists can, and will, constantly swerve about changing lanes at any speed and any point they want to.
The good cyclists amongst you must know that’s going to happen.
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
If you had mirrors at least you would know they are approaching behind you.
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- Ceredigion
I am well aware were they are , it's a constant stream in town not just one , most towns are on a 20mph limit if it's busy a lot less, so me being out of the cycle lane is the one that's being held up ,
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
Pete, i know you are a decent intelligent guy, but you really should try riding some of the cycle lanes. I do and while some are fantastic, probably 50% are diabolical . So bad you would not let your granny use , they are so rough.
And then are the walkers and dog walkers who use them, and if you think cyclists are rude arrogant f******s you should try coming up behind gemma with her head phones in while little fluffybumkins is doing her best to bite your tyre or chasing a wabbit while still attached by her 50 yard retractible lead.
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
I don’t think cyclists are rude arrogant f*****s
Certainly in no more ratio than any other type of road user.
Certainly in no more ratio than any other type of road user.
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
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- Ceredigion
When to take the lane
If you can keep up with the traffic, such as around town, it's safest to take the lane. It's also the position to adopt when you want to dissuade drivers from doing something stupid, like cutting you up. Here's a non-exhaustive list of situations when it's best to take the lane.
• Approaching a pinch point, such as pedestrian island in the centre of the road.
• Approaching and negotiating a roundabout.
• Approaching Give Way markings.
• Approaching a side road, to prevent drivers from 'left-hooking' you and to help drivers on the side road to see you.
• Approaching traffic lights.
• Approaching a blind corner.
• Negotiating a junction.
• In queues of stationary traffic.
• Overtaking parked cars.
If you can keep up with the traffic, such as around town, it's safest to take the lane. It's also the position to adopt when you want to dissuade drivers from doing something stupid, like cutting you up. Here's a non-exhaustive list of situations when it's best to take the lane.
• Approaching a pinch point, such as pedestrian island in the centre of the road.
• Approaching and negotiating a roundabout.
• Approaching Give Way markings.
• Approaching a side road, to prevent drivers from 'left-hooking' you and to help drivers on the side road to see you.
• Approaching traffic lights.
• Approaching a blind corner.
• Negotiating a junction.
• In queues of stationary traffic.
• Overtaking parked cars.
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
You sir, are a braver man than me!
- Location
- Ceredigion
You have to be brave to cycle in London and Brighton , but cycles lanes frighten me most
- Location
- Ledbury, Herefordshire
No, I said the insurance of the motor vehicle should pay. You then started talking about a situation where one specific insurance company had decided to put up your premium based on an event that didn't happen.
That's the insurance company being dodgy and nothing to do with the cyclist. Conveniently for the insurance company, however, you are choosing to blame bicycles for this and not insurance companies.
76masseyman
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- Lincolncestershire
A 30mph limit road I need to turn left off quite regularly has a combined cycle / foot path along side it.
It is in a pretty busy area for industry and diy stores, and has always been well used.
I just wish along with these new rules, that it included the provision the vulnerable pedestrians and cyclist, to wear hi vis ( and it can be fashionable ) clothing to aid all other road users comply.
Bit more give and take all round would help everyone.
It is in a pretty busy area for industry and diy stores, and has always been well used.
I just wish along with these new rules, that it included the provision the vulnerable pedestrians and cyclist, to wear hi vis ( and it can be fashionable ) clothing to aid all other road users comply.
Bit more give and take all round would help everyone.
- Location
- Kent
What you were saying or at least coming across as saying was that if a cyclist caused an accident the car drivers insurance should pay and the cyclist should be held responsible even if say a cyclist riding dangerous knocked a pedestrian into the path of a car. You were saying the car owner or driver should pay as cars are inherently more dangerous than a bicycle.
I was stating that by your logic then a car pulling out of a junction without looking and hit a tractor and trailer that the farmer should pay as tractors are inherently more dangerous than cars where most would say that it should be guilty party that pays.
I only mentioned the Mutual as I know that is their policy as they have told us that it is their policy to settle any claim against a tractor made by a car because they say if it goes to court the judge before seeing the evidence will side automatically with the car.