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Mark Hatton

Staff Member
Media
Location
Yorkshire
UK. South east (currently)
I understand that the nature of farming land is very different around the country and that certain areas are definitely more conducive to certain types of farming and I think this is one of the only real arguments for animal farming in certain areas (though still I can't see that it trumps other ethical considerations). It's definitely not an easy profession to be in.
The geographical location of the uk and much of its topography lends itself to animal production, the climate (in general) provides us with near perfect conditions to produce very good quality grass, which in turn produces some very high quality meat. Livestock are fundamental to bio diversity, sustainability and food security in the UK, they aren't the problem as many would have you believe they are part of the solution.
 

Speckle

Member
Getting back to the programme, did anyone else wonder why the "cameraman " seemed to spend his time observing the various scenarios without assisting. Surely in that situation, something would have been said by the others, wouldn't it? Unless of course , they were in on what he was up to?
I'm guessing it's because they had to remain incognito, or the behaviour that was being reported on would have changed for the camera? It's the same with all reporting.
 

Speckle

Member
The geographical location of the uk and much of its topography lends itself to animal production, the climate (in general) provides us with near perfect conditions to produce very good quality grass, which in turn produces some very high quality meat. Livestock are fundamental to bio diversity, sustainability and food security in the UK, they aren't the problem as many would have you believe they are part of the solution.
We aren't talking about how suitable it is for animal agriculture, we are talking about how suitable it is for only animal agriculture and not other forms of agriculture.
 

Speckle

Member
I'm guessing you've been to Wales, the Lake District or the Peak District then?
Why would you guess that? Are you claiming that it is not possible to grow crops in any part of those areas?
I've acknowledged that there may be a small number of areas where animal agriculture 'may' be the only solution from a food production perspective (providing we are saying that we actually need to use every single area for food production).
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Do they? In what way?
A lot of run off from potato ground(top soil) ending up in the nearest
river contains phosphates and damage to the soil profile and structure .
It's a very industrial process burning thousands of litres of fuel and high chemical usage. But hey ho we all like chips on a Friday night.
Similar sort of thing for carrots grown up the road from me.
 
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Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire

Speckle

Member
How do you think potatoes and carrots are grown on a commercial scale?
Anything produced on a commercial scale has some environmental impact, there are always pros and cons. It's about choosing the lesser impact where we can. You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel if you are going to claim root veg as the problem
 

Mark Hatton

Staff Member
Media
Location
Yorkshire
Why would you guess that? Are you claiming that it is not possible to grow crops in any part of those areas?
I've acknowledged that there may be a small number of areas where animal agriculture 'may' be the only solution from a food production perspective (providing we are saying that we actually need to use every single area for food production).
Bit difficult to grow spuds on a mountain side.
 

Speckle

Member
A lot of run off from potato ground(top soil) ending up in the nearest
river contains phosphates and damage to the soil profile and structure .
It's a very industrial process burning thousands of litres of fuel and chemicals.
But hey ho we all like chips on a Friday night.
Similar sort of thing for carrots grown up the road from me.
I look forward to you providing a statistical analysis comparing it with other types of agriculture, instead of your somewhat biased opinion.
 

Speckle

Member
Bit difficult to grow spuds on a mountain side.
I've already said 1) that there are a small number of places that certain types of agriculture are not suitable for
2) do we need to use every single piece of land in the UK for food production?

Why do you insist on not reading what I've said and intentionally misinterpreting it.

As I've now said on more than one occasion, this is one of the ONLY valid arguments for any sort of animal agriculture, and I still don't think that trumps the ethical considerations.
 

Mark Hatton

Staff Member
Media
Location
Yorkshire
I've already said 1) that there are a small number of places that certain types of agriculture are not suitable for
2) do we need to use every single piece of land in the UK for food production?

Why do you insist on not reading what I've said and intentionally misinterpreting it.

As I've now said on more than one occasion, this is one of the ONLY valid arguments for any sort of animal agriculture, and I still don't think that trumps the ethical considerations.
You asked for statistics to another users reply, about root crops, I merely asked what you wanted to know, his response was quite clear, if you had any concept of agricultural practices, you'd understand what he wrote.
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
I've already said 1) that there are a small number of places that certain types of agriculture are not suitable for
2) do we need to use every single piece of land in the UK for food production?

Why do you insist on not reading what I've said and intentionally misinterpreting it.

As I've now said on more than one occasion, this is one of the ONLY valid arguments for any sort of animal agriculture, and I still don't think that trumps the ethical considerations.
In your opinion
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
I look forward to you providing a statistical analysis comparing it with other types of agriculture, instead of your somewhat biased opinion.
I dont need to provide anything I only have to look a the brown river that adjoins this farm
after potato planting and lifting .Phosphates are a known problem and has been raised in PQT on a Wednesday only a few weeks ago.
 

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