'Cutting the cloth'

Hfd Cattle · Feb 25, 2022

Bald Rick said:
Sure there will be a few but the vast majority are on their knees.

Proud of that?

This report from the Trussell Trust - researched over 3 years - is very salutary

https://www.trusselltrust.org/state-of-hunger/

I went out with a voluntary group a few months ago delivering food parcels .....I saw real poverty . I would never have believed it of I hadn't seen it !! These weren't spongers they were desperate people very carefully vetted before being given food parcels .

gatepost · Feb 25, 2022

7610 super q said:
Carry on as usual. 1980's tractors & gear. FSS. Bare minimum of fert & chems. No borrowing. All repairs to machinery / bulidings/ house done by myself. Racking my brain how to do without Red Tractor, which is a serious drain.
I don't think 90% on here would know how to cut cloth, even if they were sent off on a training course to get certificates to use scissors and cloth licences.

Same here, I thought for a moment your last line was going to be a Baldrick quote.

DrWazzock · Feb 25, 2022

In the process of switching from BT to Quantum who are now active in our area. Saving £600 per annum for 10 x faster broadband at my house in the village.
I have always found I have saved (and lost) more with a few minutes spent on some paperwork than hours of physical Labour.
Might get my cousin to combine my OSR. He won’t have to save much seed with his better machine to pay for the job.

Ffermer Bach · Feb 25, 2022

Bald Rick said:
Sure there will be a few but the vast majority are on their knees.

Proud of that?

This report from the Trussell Trust - researched over 3 years - is very salutary

https://www.trusselltrust.org/state-of-hunger/

I did notice that a high proportion were single parents, we have had 50 years of policies that encourage single parents, and this is the result. Also a lot of the energy costs have increased by green subsidies, again this is the result.

Landrover · Feb 25, 2022

My dad who is in his 80s is always going on about the "poor" people he sees when he is in the local towns, he is of the generation that equates being scruffy with being poor, in my area (north Northumberland) there is no need for anyone not to have a job if they want one plenty of work to go around here, but I know of plenty of people who use food banks, but still smoke, drink have the latest gadgets/ trainers, personally I have never been what people think is well off, but have enjoyed a decent standard of living. The general public especially the middle classes I feel are in for a big fright in the next few years.

bigw · Feb 25, 2022

Chae1 said:
Being serious now Why should we cut our cloth to produce cheap food for the masses?

Do you think many of them are going without to benefit someone else?

Fudge them. We should be charging more. The %age consumer spend on food is tiny compared to other countries.

They also throw a large amount of it in the bin.

I got an email from O2 the other day saying my contract was going up 7.8% in line with RPI, every other industry looks to pass cost on and i think this time farmers will not be able to absorb costs and production will likely fall.

SilliamWhale · Feb 25, 2022

Chae1 said:
Being serious now Why should we cut our cloth to produce cheap food for the masses?

Do you think many of them are going without to benefit someone else?

Fudge them. We should be charging more. The %age consumer spend on food is tiny compared to other countries.

They also throw a large amount of it in the bin.

Isn't it more to help yourself?

SilliamWhale · Feb 25, 2022

Dman2 said:
How many people going to food banks have fancy Iphones paying £40+ a month for contracts
Have Sky telly paying £40+ a month
Wear NIke trainers??

Here we go...

Landrover · Feb 25, 2022

SilliamWhale said:
Here we go...

I am not saying that there isn't real poverty in this country but in my area there isn't , no shortage of jobs and opportunities for people, round here the only reason for people not to have a job is that they don't want to work, it's getting worse in this area now as the more urban parts of the county are dumping there problem tenants in the country towns which is causing problems in the local schools now with uncontrollable kids and uninterested parents

yin ewe · Feb 25, 2022

Hfd Cattle said:
I went out with a voluntary group a few months ago delivering food parcels .....I saw real poverty . I would never have believed it of I hadn't seen it !! These weren't spongers they were desperate people very carefully vetted before being given food parcels .

Not sure you saw 'real poverty' you'd need to go to other parts of the world to see that.

TripleSix · Feb 25, 2022

If we were cutting back I think our 2003 Fastrac would go, it's a bit of a luxury.

Not sure what else, get rid of my pet horse and 4 pet goats?

Tell father in law to stop riding about all day, never leaves the district but does 10k miles a year!

Ffermer Bach · Feb 25, 2022

TripleSix said:
If we were cutting back I think our 2003 Fastrac would go, it's a bit of a luxury.

Not sure what else, get rid of my pet horse and 4 pet goats?

Tell father in law to stop riding about all day, never leaves the district but does 10k miles a year!

buy him a push bike!

Muddyroads · Feb 25, 2022

Chae1 said:
Being serious now Why should we cut our cloth to produce cheap food for the masses?

Do you think many of them are going without to benefit someone else?

Fudge them. We should be charging more. The %age consumer spend on food is tiny compared to other countries.

They also throw a large amount of it in the bin.

What do you sell that you can charge more for?

7610 super q · Feb 25, 2022

Dman2 said:
How many people going to food banks have fancy Iphones paying £40+ a month for contracts
Have Sky telly paying £40+ a month
Wear NIke trainers??

Because the food is free.........
If there were Nike trainer banks, or Iphone banks.........there'd be queues there too.

Steevo · Feb 25, 2022

Dman2 said:
Seriously though
Do cash flow forecasts and stick to them as much as possible
Try and reduce costs, or increase payment terms. It all helps cash flow.
We were advised years ago to spend a week every year trying to reduce costs by 10% and up till now we have managed it, to a certain extent
Don`t think we will this year mind you. but have made enough savings over past few years to carry us through a few bad years

I'd be interested to know what you managed to do.

I would think many farmers have cut costs to the bone already and that's when it gets much harder to find things.

Steevo · Feb 25, 2022

bigw said:
I got an email from O2 the other day saying my contract was going up 7.8% in line with RPI, every other industry looks to pass cost on and i think this time farmers will not be able to absorb costs and production will likely fall.

CPI + 3.9% for Vodafone

Sierra Lama · Feb 25, 2022

Steevo said:
CPI + 3.9% for Vodafone

I was up for upgrade just recently, EE quoting horrific prices. Just got onto ID mobile, litrally half the price. No frills or fancy add ons, jobs a good one. Only think I have to do now is attempt to keep the new phone in working order so I can go sim only. Easier said than done.

betweenthelines · Feb 25, 2022

Jesus Christ.

Post about people who use foodbanks having mobile phones. Then farmers moaning about the mobile phone contracts going up.

Does no one on here remember life before mobile phones?

As for cutting costs, before you buy anything, just ask "what's the worst that'll happen if I don't buy it?"

Half the people on here think the question is "What will the neighbours think if I don't buy it ?"

Sierra Lama · Feb 25, 2022

betweenthelines said:
Jesus Christ.

Post about people who use foodbanks having mobile phones. Then farmers moaning about the mobile phone contracts going up.

Does no one on here remember life before mobile phones?

As for cutting costs, before you buy anything, just ask "what's the worst that'll happen if I don't buy it?"

Half the people on here think the question is "What will the neighbours think if I don't buy it ?"

Yes I do, in fact my father and grandfather don't have one. In place of my phone contract they have a landline and still buy their daily papers, which in contrast cost more than the monthly contract the business pays for a mobile phone contract...

What's next on your list, life before the combustion engine, in my day... Zzzzzz

Oldmacdonald · Feb 25, 2022

Dman2 said:
How many people going to food banks have fancy Iphones paying £40+ a month for contracts
Have Sky telly paying £40+ a month
Wear NIke trainers??

Have you tried living a modern life without an internet connection? I would bet my bottom dollar its cheaper to run a smartphone than it is to get a bus every other day to the council offices, or the supermarket or the post office.
A landline is £17 a month, do you see that a luxury?

Sky? I doubt it.

Whats wrong with nike trainers? Does it not make more sense to buy one good pair of shoes to last 5 years, than to buy cheap pairs that only last 6 months? See 'Vimes Boot Theory, T Pratchett'

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