Will Putin invade ?

Will Putin invade the Ukraine ?

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Crofter64

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ollie989898 said:
Where exactly did I advocate that?
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ollie989898 said:
I hope the West can funnel the Ukraine plenty of cash and whatever equipment they need. Maybe some people from the rest of Eastern Europe will take up arms as well.
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Here: “ Maybe some people from the rest of Eastern Europe will take up arms as well.”

Its bad enough if there are two combatants. Any more and this could go in any direction.

The assassination of Archduke Franz -Ferdinand could easily have remained a local, domestic issue but everyone felt so sorry for the poor Serbs being attacked by the bully Austria. A hundred or so years later, everyone turned on the bully Serbia and bombed the blazes out of it.

History has shown time and time again that no one really understands what leads to a conflict or where it will go. Picking sides , unless there is some practical benefit to your side, is a big mistake. I do not see any practical benefit to the U.K. in all this ( except in arms sales) and a lot of potential harm.
 
Bald Rick

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Crofter64 said:
This is very much like an Irish problem .Half the Ukraine is pro Russian half is pro West. They can, for simplicity’s sake, be divided along religious lines ( Catholic/ Uniate pro West, Orthodox pro Russian. Also east and west sides of the country). For now the pro East side has been silenced, with the help of people like Victoria Nuland of the Us State Department, and the Maidan revolution. The last 8 years since then have not been good for Ukraine, but it has been good for NATO countries who have sold them heaps of military equipment they can ill afford. Has anyone looked closely at their infrastructure? The place was a disaster before this invasion. Roads, airports, schools, everything is a mess. If the West REALLY CARED about the Ukraine, money would have been spent on that, not weapons. The stuff they have been sold is garbage. All that supposed ‘training’ is about as effective as the training of the Afghan army by the US.
The Ukraine has descended in the last 8 years into the kind of mess Russia was in in the ‘90s: gangsters and Oligarchs are running the country. Don’t try and start a business there because the minute its making money some thug will take it from you. Every taxi driver is longing to get out. This is what Western intervention has done. It stinks. And now many of you want even more destruction. Finish the lot off.
How many of you ever spent one second of your life thinking about Ukraine 10 years ago? I bet very few.But it was always there and then some smart aleck in the US state department realised that getting at Ukraine was the best way to get at Russia.: Mitt Romney , in the2012 presidential election ,said that Russia was the USA’s greatest enemy. Evryone was shocked by this, at home and abroad, because there was no tension, no animosity any more. But it was the beginning. And now we are seeing the end of that policy. I personally don’t think it will end well, but those of you who have investments in armaments should do well.
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You will enjoy the film Rhino about to be released on Netflix
All about gangsters in Ukraine in 90s starring a real thug.
Won quite a few awards already
 
Cowabunga

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Crofter64 said:
Ironic does not make it untrue.
Zelensky has been playing a dangerous game- stuck between Russia and NATO. He will use all the tools at his disposal, including Neo Nazis if it gets him what he wants.
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Remember that Putin has not just sent assassins with banned chemical weapon poisons to assassinate people in the UK but also has tried to assassinate Presidents of neighbouring States, Viktor Yushchenko of the Ukraine, and the main opposition leader in Russia, Alexei Navalny, as well. They know what they dealing with even if you don’t.
For the same reason, I do agree with you that its a mistake to arm civilians or basically to fight Russia at this stage. Russia has an overwhelming force and will win, even if they have to flatten the country and kill everyone in it. The Ukrainians are dealing with a madman of the same breadth as Hitler, there’s no shadow of a doubt about it.
 
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hally

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Crofter64 said:
Ironic does not make it untrue.
Zelensky has been playing a dangerous game- stuck between Russia and NATO. He will use all the tools at his disposal, including Neo Nazis if it gets him what he wants.
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I think he has shown unbelievable character, he would have had every opportunity to get out and create a remote government from another country but he stayed.
 
Cowabunga

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JohnGalway said:
"Picking sides" is the thing to do here. Intelligence has been spot on regarding Russia's intentions towards Ukraine. They obviously have very good sources as well as the ability to intercept communications.

The worry is, that they are saying Putin has designs beyond Ukraine.

He must fail in Ukraine.
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Or at least be contained in Ukraine and fail there long term, which he will, because the population is overwhelmingly against Russia after this shock. He could partition the country of course, because now Russia is effectively a direct neighbour to NATO, something that Putin stupidly claimed to wish to avoid as a justification for invading Ukraine, thus creating the very situation he claimed to wish to avoid as a justification for war. He’s deranged. He looks puffy as well, which adds some credence to the wild theories as to his health and longevity.
 
Kevtherev

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JohnGalway said:
"Picking sides" is the thing to do here. Intelligence has been spot on regarding Russia's intentions towards Ukraine. They obviously have very good sources as well as the ability to intercept communications.

The worry is, that they are saying Putin has designs beyond Ukraine.

He must fail in Ukraine.
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And he will news reports of no supplies getting through to his troops and trucks running out of fuel.
Same thing during the Ardennes offensive during the Second World War.
No fuel no advance logistics are key in any war.
 
JohnGalway

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Cowabunga said:
Or at least be contained in Ukraine and fail there long term, which he will, because the population is overwhelmingly against Russia after this shock. He could partition the country of course, because now Russia is effectively a direct neighbour to NATO, something that Putin stupidly claimed to wish to avoid as a justification for invading Ukraine, thus creating the very situation he claimed to wish to avoid as a justification for war. He’s deranged. He looks puffy as well, which adds some credence to the wild theories as to his health and longevity.
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Before the invasion people were saying oh he can just bring them back to bases and "claim" it was an exercise. That is to misunderstand what he is. He will lash out, be ready for it. But regardless, he has to be stopped.
 
le bon paysan

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stroller said:
A stand up comic who is a politician and leader, where as we have a politician who is comical.
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What an un-statesman like mess! Probably smells ( of Russian money)
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ollie989898

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Crofter64 said:
Here: “ Maybe some people from the rest of Eastern Europe will take up arms as well.”

Its bad enough if there are two combatants. Any more and this could go in any direction.

The assassination of Archduke Franz -Ferdinand could easily have remained a local, domestic issue but everyone felt so sorry for the poor Serbs being attacked by the bully Austria. A hundred or so years later, everyone turned on the bully Serbia and bombed the blazes out of it.

History has shown time and time again that no one really understands what leads to a conflict or where it will go. Picking sides , unless there is some practical benefit to your side, is a big mistake. I do not see any practical benefit to the U.K. in all this ( except in arms sales) and a lot of potential harm.
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I don't quite see any comparison with WW1.
 
ollie989898

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