Solid urea use restricted and to be regulated by Red Tractor
- Thread starter Steevo
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I don't think so. There was a comment where it said what the technical name for the type of organisation the NFU is. It's not a union I believe because its not 1 member 1 vote and it choses not to publish its membership list. I may have the details wrong but that was the crux of it. I found it very interesting. It may have been @traineefarmer
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Trade association IIRC.
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
They should really stop using the word "Union". It's mis-representation.
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- Lincolnshire
Collective agreements made by union negotiation would be binding on members of a traditional craft or trade union. I'm not sure farmers have mighty enough ballbags for a "1 member 1 vote / one out all out" style of union but I'd love to be shown otherwise.
United we are strong.
United we are strong.
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And NFU members who are not RT ?
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- Lincolnshire
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
It is a load of Bollox to suggest that AN is any better for the environment than Urea.
This April the 1st cut off date for using will make using Urea less efficient because it would be used too early for the main dressing. One of the advantages of using Urea is that we only need to use it twice on a cereal crop. There is no need to split the main dressing into two, which in itself has got to be better for the environment in tractor fuel usage anyway. Not forgetting that approx 25% less need to made and hauled to the farm.
Many other countries have banned AN, because it is used in the Explosives industry. Many of those countries have a climate where volatilisation could be possible, whereas in the UK it almost certainly can’t. On top of which we suffer from infinitely more leaching from AN than volatilisation from Urea.
It is an absolute stitch-up!
This April the 1st cut off date for using will make using Urea less efficient because it would be used too early for the main dressing. One of the advantages of using Urea is that we only need to use it twice on a cereal crop. There is no need to split the main dressing into two, which in itself has got to be better for the environment in tractor fuel usage anyway. Not forgetting that approx 25% less need to made and hauled to the farm.
Many other countries have banned AN, because it is used in the Explosives industry. Many of those countries have a climate where volatilisation could be possible, whereas in the UK it almost certainly can’t. On top of which we suffer from infinitely more leaching from AN than volatilisation from Urea.
It is an absolute stitch-up!
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- Sunny Scotland
Looks like there is a potential get out of jail card here:
The new Red Tractor farm assurance standard proposed is:
• Fertiliser containing Urea must only be applied where the following requirements are
met:
o protected/inhibited fertilisers containing solid urea can be applied within any
product use-by/best before dates
o protected/inhibited fertilisers containing liquid urea can be applied with the
prescribed rate of protector/inhibitor for the application, and within any product
use by/best before dates
o in England, unprotected/uninhibited solid fertiliser containing urea can only be
applied between 15th January and 31st March
o in England, unprotected/uninhibited liquid fertiliser containing urea can be
applied between 15th January and 31st March
o in England, unprotected/uninhibited liquid fertiliser containing urea can be
applied between 1st April and last application in autumn9 only if agronomic
justification is provided by
▪ FACTS-qualified farm personnel10 or
▪ advice specific for the crop has been provided by a FACTS- Qualified
Adviser and been followed (see EC 9.1)
o in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales fertiliser containing urea (solid and
liquid) can be applied as per relevant legislation
So if you are FACTS qualifed or use an agronomist you should be able to justify still using when rain is forecast?
The new Red Tractor farm assurance standard proposed is:
• Fertiliser containing Urea must only be applied where the following requirements are
met:
o protected/inhibited fertilisers containing solid urea can be applied within any
product use-by/best before dates
o protected/inhibited fertilisers containing liquid urea can be applied with the
prescribed rate of protector/inhibitor for the application, and within any product
use by/best before dates
o in England, unprotected/uninhibited solid fertiliser containing urea can only be
applied between 15th January and 31st March
o in England, unprotected/uninhibited liquid fertiliser containing urea can be
applied between 15th January and 31st March
o in England, unprotected/uninhibited liquid fertiliser containing urea can be
applied between 1st April and last application in autumn9 only if agronomic
justification is provided by
▪ FACTS-qualified farm personnel10 or
▪ advice specific for the crop has been provided by a FACTS- Qualified
Adviser and been followed (see EC 9.1)
o in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales fertiliser containing urea (solid and
liquid) can be applied as per relevant legislation
So if you are FACTS qualifed or use an agronomist you should be able to justify still using when rain is forecast?
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
AN has been banned here for Ag use since 2001 & the twin towers attack
knowing red tractor we will have to hoover it back up if the forecast rain fails to arrive
Hindsight
Member
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- Lincolnshire
As with the Farming Rules For Water (now amended) I suspect a FACTS adviser first recourse will be their Professional Indemnity Insurance before their recommendation pad!
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
no more mad, than wanting to make every livestock transport trailer/lorry with decks illegal to use
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- Cirencester
It'll be like rat poison currently, no RT number means you cant buy it, it'll be the same, you watch.
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- Bedfordshire
NFU and others including NIAB TAG have fought an industry wide opposition to the Governments idea which was to ban Urea. They get a bit of a result and all they get is abuse. FFS.
The EAs interpretation of Rule 1 in Farming Rules for Water has been successfully overturned, more or less, by an industry back lash of which the NFU was a large part. I suppose nobody's happy about that either. I must admit I am extremely grateful as I have 1400 of valuable FYM to spread every autumn and I don't want to be doing it outside of regulation. Its paid my membership fee many times over.
The EAs interpretation of Rule 1 in Farming Rules for Water has been successfully overturned, more or less, by an industry back lash of which the NFU was a large part. I suppose nobody's happy about that either. I must admit I am extremely grateful as I have 1400 of valuable FYM to spread every autumn and I don't want to be doing it outside of regulation. Its paid my membership fee many times over.
You can if you go on a course
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- Cirencester
So why have you brought in RT to police it??????? Gravy train continues on and on at our expense
SilliamWhale
Member
Would it be impossible to show the same level of lobbying enthusiasm and ethics towards private organisation which is acting as a block to market access for UK farmers? And its not even a government initiative its a private one run by spivs and have made themselves unaccountable
And if its not possible, why is it not possible? Why is one organisation being allowed to corner access to the grain market?
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- Yorks
I agree NFU have brokered the Autumn manure spreading and worked hard for farmers on the urea issue. All good.
Urea spreading policed by RT. Bad imho.
What if you're not RT assured? Can you use Urea, or is it just RT members? Genuine question (I don't know how it's going to work).
Or are non-assured farmers not going to be allowed to use Urea?
Or are non-assured farmers going to be able to use Urea, but RT members have the extra burden of being checked up on. In which case, another disadvantage to being RT assured.
Questions, questions. Don't know the answers