Can someone please explain this point .. and is class r "Hotels" classified as holiday let cottages OR what defines hotel.
Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)
- Thread starter George from SJM Planning
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- Yorks
I think (bit I'm no expert), if you build a new farm building using prior notification / permitted development, then you lose your PD class Q rights to convert barns into houses. However, you don't lose class R PD rights.
We are thinking of building a new shed. We are going to apply for full planning permission, which means we will keep our class Q PD rights if we ever want to apply to change our brick barn into a house.
C1 Use Class comprises hotels, boarding and guest houses (Bed & Breakfast, Inn, Motels etc) where no level of care is required. With the advent of AirBnB etc the planning use classes are seemingly out of date and they fall outside of C1 or C3 but are not significantly different to require them to be classified as Sui Generis therefore it is all down to the applicant to argue; and the council to agree the correct Use Class.
The important differentiation is that you can not 'reside' in a C1 and therefore measures must be included to stop it being possible for someone to live there. Although I have not done one personally I believe the arguement would be satisfied by restricting occupation (for example no single household can stay for more than 28 days in any one year), the keeping of occupancy records and the closure for a defined period each year.
It is also important to remeber that Class R does not allow any physical works. You will need to obtain the change of use as the building is now and then apply for full planning permission to make the physical alterations necessary.
- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
The general feeling seems to be that class Q won't be around for ever. In your position and if funds allow I would apply for class Q as soon as your shed is up.
If you then get permission you have to complete the build within a certain time under current class Q rules (not sure without looking if it is 3 or 5 years), once class Q has been granted then apply for full planning to alter the plans slightly by adding a porch for example. (class Q says you can't extend the current footprint) Once full planning is granted then make a start by putting a sewage treatment plant in for example so you have been deemed to have started, you can then complete the build when you like as the planning is protected.
Fantastic answer
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Be sure to speak to your accountant too in case this has IHT implications. Often better and cheaper to do things in the right order.
Do these class Q permissions have to pass the same rules as new builds in regards to distance from watercourses / drainage etc? Shame that we cant get sheds passed and then carry on using them until such time we want to convert them. Got a lovely big dutch barn and stone barn that would make lovely homes but located right in the farm yard amongst modern buildings which is a pain. Would be ideal if they were set away abit.
No they don't. Flood risk would need to be identified and assessed but only in Flood Zone 2 or 3.
Noise and odour from the farming activities surrounding the new homes can be an issue though.
- Location
- Yorks
Helpful info. Thank you.
Particularly the bit about applying for full planning (after class Q), then make a bit of a start, then no time limit to complete the project.
A local class Q got rejected due to its close proximity to a cattle shed.
- Location
- South Wales UK
What's the rules with neighbour's building bang on a boundary ?
I know possibly if like for like but what if different building or new footings for a cavity wall (shed,possibly house extension under cover later??) Windows in it that cattle or horses etc could smash and service building later like paint, gutters, repair roofs etc?
Is min 3 foot applicable???
I know possibly if like for like but what if different building or new footings for a cavity wall (shed,possibly house extension under cover later??) Windows in it that cattle or horses etc could smash and service building later like paint, gutters, repair roofs etc?
Is min 3 foot applicable???
There is no planning consideration for maintenance strips, it would be a separate civil legal matter.
- Location
- South Wales UK
How would they build, paint, do anything to their building if dead on boundary without trespassing or trying to buy a strip as right ones about?
Exactly, but that isn't a planning matter.
- Location
- South Wales UK
If domestic then guess party wall agreements, ancient lights rules may kick in possibly, but field situations different?
No views gauranteed etc etc?
Ours is 18 inches away .
This is a personal view not one condoned by SJM Planning -
If this happened to me I would go to the local farm sale and buy a rusty old spreader and park it right up to the boundary.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
TheTallGuy
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- Location
- Cambridgeshire
Old artic trailers and battered containers are another option I believe....Why stop at just one..?!
- Location
- South Wales UK
Always new lot move in and have big ideas and think can do what they want and try and be your new best friend???
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