- Location
- South Molton
The point is that in a product of more than one ingredient its never going to happen.
Common sense. Where are you going to get RT salt from?
Get a life
Scrapping farm assurance
- Thread starter Drillman
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Common sense. Where are you going to get RT salt from?
Get a life
- Location
- Cirencester
- Location
- South Molton
OK salt was not a good example. Maybe the rice in a curry ready meal isn't produced under RT standards.
Bread is different given the majority, no idea of the percentage , could be RT.
I'm speaking for myself and responding to the points raised with answers for the reasons as I personally see them.
As for the gravy, I've no idea as I've not tasted it and don't know if it's RT or not.
- Location
- South Molton
Taken you this long to realise, oh dear
- Location
- Somerset UK
Food Salts | The Salt Company
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Realistically, what premium on beef would you need to see to make it worth your time? Because these schemes were supposed to be extras to gain access to premium homes.
For example, I produce 600t of grain. My RT stickers cost 250, plus maybe five hours of my time doing stuff I'd not ordinarily do. So let's say £1000 - because I'm loosing fees as north Lincolnshires premium gigolo. So to make me a proper return, like fert and spray does, I'd want £3.50 a ton premium.
I'd like also the option to sell unassured on the basis I declare I've followed all existing UK food rules that apply.
What would a similar view be for other farming sectors?
For example, I produce 600t of grain. My RT stickers cost 250, plus maybe five hours of my time doing stuff I'd not ordinarily do. So let's say £1000 - because I'm loosing fees as north Lincolnshires premium gigolo. So to make me a proper return, like fert and spray does, I'd want £3.50 a ton premium.
I'd like also the option to sell unassured on the basis I declare I've followed all existing UK food rules that apply.
What would a similar view be for other farming sectors?
- Location
- North Somerset.
It’s not a question of time here or money. It’s a matter of principle that I will not be a victim of any protection racket be that one run by Pikeys, The local branch of the Cosa Nostra or in the case of Red Tractor, run by the supermarket cartel for their benefit to aid their manipulation of the market to suit their business model.
To answer the question, no amount of premium would encourage me to join Red Tractor.
Any premium would be short term or eroded as the schem is used by the cartel to introduce vertical integration of the sheep and beef sector.
The cartel controlling Red Tractor have only to introduce Whole Life Assurance and then ban any movement through a livestock market to ensure compliance. Doing away with livestock markets would achieve their business objective which is to control the supply chain through vertical integration and not have to compete for their supplies.
Anyone who doubts this could be the case should look at the pig and poultry sectors to see how they are controlled by the cartel.
Counter arguments in support of the cartel welcomed!
- Location
- South Molton
Certain buyers have already restricted number of farm to farm movements.
Livestock markets must be allowed to continue.
I personally can not see how an assured animal can be sold as such when it only lives part of its life as such.
But I can also see why certain farms don't want the hassle of being assured.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I can provide none.
It was merely as there is discussion here and there about if any of these vampire organisations can be convinced to reform - for grain that's to return to it being a premium scheme rather than a gate to everywhere. Or if they should all simply be scrapped. I have my own view but was just interested in the stock side.
- Location
- South Molton
I asked an Arla producer after he had told me his milk price, how much it cost him to meet their standards for Arlagarden.
He didn't know. He could be better off on a lower price with less costs....but he doesn't know.
- Location
- North Somerset.
The restriction of the number of movements is an example of the cartel flexing its muscles to see just how much it can get away with and is a precursor to further market manipulation if they are allowed to get away with it.
I defy anyone to tell the difference between an ‘assured’ or an non assured animal in any market or slaughterhouse unless it is accompanied by the magic sticker.
Those who continue to try to justify any Red Tractor ‘standards’ have not only already put their head in a noose but they are working hard to spring the trap door.
ollie989898
Member
RT can't release a statement like that- ded rektor only applies to what happens on farms. It has no value in the marketplace and precisely fudge all presence higher up in the food chain. If processors or retailers want to source cheap mince in huge volumes, they can do so totally legally by importing it but they will have zero control of what goes into it and red tractor has even less- it's not even an internationally applied standard.
ollie989898
Member
Absolute nonsense- you're trying to defend the indefensible here. Imported grain is not allowed into the country 'because of the government's cheap food policy' it is allowed in because the UK, like many other countries, needs that product for a variety of end uses and cannot source all that it requires domestically.
It just so happens that there is no international grain assurance scheme, mostly because commodity production worldwide is a vast, generally low margin affair and no added value can be gained from such a moronic concept. No one is going to pay a single £1 more for a boatload of corn with a collection of stickers and neither is anyone going to pay for a legion of inspectors in Brazil, the USA or Argentina to inspect how stuff is produced before it reaches the docks for export.
And the ironic thing is, that the NFU dreamt up red tractor and what do you now, it doesn't garner any extra margin for the producer, either. It's just a straight-jacket the industry elected to put on to cripple it's own competitiveness internationally.
ollie989898
Member
It's a job for the BFU to organise and producers need to gather around it. 10,000 farmers jacking RT in on the same day would be very powerful.
- Location
- Essex
In that case why not fail spectacularly and ask the inspector why he thinks it matters since it adds no value to the business?
- Location
- South Molton
Not defending anything just making conversation.
- Location
- South Molton
You want 10,000 farmers to agree?