Scrapping farm assurance

[Sid]

And they can pass on this extra cost to the customer.........

They can add it onto the price quoted.
It doesn't mean they will get the contract.

 

[Drillman]

Argue what? Me thinks your confused

Your the only confused one!

anyone who thinks any part of red tractor is a good idea is very confused

 

[tullah]

But even more worrying the ultimate owner of Red Tractor is Intertek. They are PLC who have no interest in anything but growing their own business. We have been sold down the river and we will get further down it unless we act. The marketplace in grain should not be dominated by one companies stranglehold - the 22 carat mute idiots in the NFU should be ashamed of themselves.



Yes imported grain for starters has no "scheme". Lots of independent business don't do it because quality is not decision from a multinational company.

Yes and the only way out of this Red Tractor nonsense is to join the BFU. Once the membership numbers are sufficient we will force RT off the face of the earth and have our markets back.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Are there any industries that don't have an assurance or certification scheme.

All imports.

 

[tullah]

Absolutely.
It is down to the customer to assess and make their own judgement.
Only an idiot would rely entirely on a piece of paper declaring something to be fine.

The non farming union think a Red Tractor certificate is idiot proof. They have to say that because they set the crazy thing up.

 

[Sid]

Your the only confused one!

anyone who thinks any part of red tractor is a good idea is very confused

Where did I say I thought it was a good idea?
Please quote my post

 

[Barleymow]

They also have their own in house quality and assurance scheme to make sure the customers car is made to a standard

Trading standards can visit anytime, that's free and would cover the legal stuff ,we don't need the extra rubbish that rt demand

What about the horse meat fiasco audits didn't find that before it reached the shelves

 

[Sid]

Trading standards can visit anytime, that's free and would cover the legal stuff ,we don't need the extra rubbish that rt demand

What about the horse meat fiasco audits didn't find that before it reached the shelves

They can yes,

As far as I have been "told" no horse meat was found in a RT product.

Was mostly value range

 

[Drillman]

They can yes,

As far as I have been "told" no horse meat was found in a RT product.

Was mostly value range

And you believed them???

 

[Sid]

And you believed them???

Products were recalled weren't they?

 

[Tamar]

They can yes,

As far as I have been "told" no horse meat was found in a RT product.

Was mostly value range

Only by luck !!


But then all Wetherspoons FA steaks were found not to be FA, hence they all came off the menu until a different supplier was found.

Food is only safe until it leaves the farm yard. Ticking boxes won't solve anything

 

[Sid]

Only by luck !!

Maybe , maybe not

 

[Drillman]

Products were recalled weren't they?

Yes they were but Was there any proof that the tractor found the issue?

 

[Sid]

Yes they were but Was there any proof that the tractor found the issue?

Why would they in a non RT product?

 

[SilliamWhale]

And rightly so too



Plenty of firms pay extra to be inspected on HSE etc.
All major building sites would have a dedicated safety officer.

It doesn't matter if its right or wrong - its the law and that is the end of it. No one is arguing that

I think you are clutching at straws

 

[SilliamWhale]

They can yes,

As far as I have been "told" no horse meat was found in a RT product.

Was mostly value range

I'd agree with that.

But it doesn't mean anything. It wasn't by virtue of Red Tractor there wasn't any horse in their products, it was because it was British and we don't slaughter horses here and stick them in the food chain.

We are not arguing against RT for those who want to enter the marketplace and reap its (alleged) benefits.

We are arguing about those who are compelled to be RT in order to trade in the marketplace (ie grain/ osr) and are then undermined the moment the produce gets tipped. We cannot get close to the consumer to get any of the alleged RT benefit, yet at the same time it means nothing because our produce gets mixed up anyway.

Spoke to someone today who said to me "well I would much rather my bread was assured than not assured". Which was fine until I pointed out that there isn't any bread in the UK that is Red Tractor assured anyway.

 

[Old apprentice]

Spoke to someone today who said to me "well I would much rather my bread was assured than not assured". Which was fine until I pointed out that there isn't any bread in the UK that is Red Tractor assured anyway.

Did you get a reply?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Did you get a reply?

Just a sigh. It was someone relatively invested in the whole grain trade so at the end of the day its no skin of their nose whether farmers have double standards put upon them or not, as long as they make their margin they don't care

 

[Tarw Coch]

They can yes,

As far as I have been "told" no horse meat was found in a RT product.

Was mostly value range

RT should have released a statement in the horse meat scandal, Buy RT assured products as they are guaranteed free of horse meat, makes me wonder why they didn’t as it was a brilliant marketing opportunity for them.
I have to wonder was it because they were too incompetent to see the opportunity.
Was it because they had no reason to care, they got their cut regardless and had no incentive to promote RT assured products to the consumer.
Or were they just keeping their heads down, hoping nothing marked as RT assured would be found with horse meat in but without the confidence in their own brand to proclaim it free of horse meat.

 

[stroller]

My point was we are not the only industry to have audits and compliance.

The level of detail agriculture needs is the issue.

It was highlighted the other day about food factories, issue with product safety and it was an issue across a wide range of brands who would all audit that company individually.
I want a single audit that covers organic and legality of eartags etc

What the serial number of my livestock box is is irrelevant!

So why is unassured grain allowed into the country?