Red Tractor non conformance
- Thread starter Bignor Farmer
- Start date
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
Kin'ell with people like you in the farming industry who the f**k needs enemies like RT, monbiot, vegans ect.
- Location
- Yorks
What's shocking is everyone knows what goes on. NFU know what goes on, yet still suggest everyone is FA, and still make sure we've got to join, whilst also knowing imports (grain) isn't assured.
So it's knowingly costing their members £20 million per annum (cereal assurance), and it's all a sham. Why would a farming Union stick with that policy of causing extra costs for their members for no reason.
I think what's needed, is (for grain) no assurance. Exactly same as the imports which get blended in with ours in the final product. Only difference is ours is grown to UK legislative standards, so our Gov are happy with that, yet they've no control over foreign production methods.
It boils my blood.
- Location
- Dorset/Wilts
Not defending RT at all......
BUT
75% (maybe) of the stuff they ask for would had been done anyway - or should had.
Just write it down when it's done. Most of the stuff needed would be done anyway.
Should one be calibrating spinner?
Calibrating Sprayer?
Insecticide in grain store?
I've made a record sheet for most things they ask for and simply put them where needed and fill in at the time.
I put it all in two folders and leave inspector in the office to get on with it. They'll have my number to phone me if needed.
Not defending it, and the Arable and beef isn't too taxing (can imagine dairy being painful).
Still waste too many evenings in the days before inspecting though.
BUT
75% (maybe) of the stuff they ask for would had been done anyway - or should had.
Just write it down when it's done. Most of the stuff needed would be done anyway.
Should one be calibrating spinner?
Calibrating Sprayer?
Insecticide in grain store?
I've made a record sheet for most things they ask for and simply put them where needed and fill in at the time.
I put it all in two folders and leave inspector in the office to get on with it. They'll have my number to phone me if needed.
Not defending it, and the Arable and beef isn't too taxing (can imagine dairy being painful).
Still waste too many evenings in the days before inspecting though.
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
Don't forget that on numerous occasions I've been asked by assessors to either amend of complete records during the assessment so a box can be ticked, they all think it's as big a load of rubbish as us!!!!!
Just for the record to appease farmerstu me and the vast majority of farmers complete and keep very accurate records of things that are important and layed down in law, it's the bulls**t bits of paper RT keep inventing that aren't taken seriously!!!!!
Well I look forward to a BFU spokesman appearing on Good Morning Britain and defending a "minimum legal standards" policy.
It doesn't matter how you spin it, it would be seen by the average consumer as push for lower standards. It would go down like a cup of cold sick. Despite all the support you seemingly have on here, other industry stakeholders would be tripping over themselves to distance themselves from such reputation damaging ideas.
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tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
Then you would be certain to put RT out of business at a stroke. Best thing you could suggest.
- Location
- Yorks
They mix the RT grain with the non-assured imports. So they are happy with the imports standard. The don't use the RT logo on the loaf of bread or on the animal food sack, because it is mixed with palm kernel from Indonesia, or non-assured Canadian wheat. Our grains grown to higher UK legislative standards, set by the government. It is our government and FSA who decide on our standards. @FarmyStu are you saying grain grown to UK legislative standards is unsafe, or dangerous, or poisonous, or a health risk? Is that what you want me to go on television and tell the nation?
We've asked if we can supply under exact same standards as imports - that's one set of lab tests per 60,000 tonnes. I'm happy to do that.
They said "No", but couldn't explain why.
tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
Farming student surfaces like a bad penny. It reminds me of the Labour plant Elsie they got off the street and hauled onto Breakfast tv the other day riding around on a bus.
Boris just dealt with the nonsense there and then.
Boris just dealt with the nonsense there and then.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Just a heads up everyone.
So I printed this,stuck it through the laminator then tape it to the door.
She was very impressed.............
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For a man
Don’t need one of those signs. Smoking in the workplace was outlawed about 15 year go. And as the farm is a workplace smoking is banned by default.View attachment 1036782This is what I failed on didn't have one on the chemical store door FFS,
Just a heads up everyone.
So I printed this,stuck it through the laminator then tape it to the door.
She was very impressed.............
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For a man
Maybe @cb387 will send you his spreadsheet and you can both use it!!Excellent! You’ve just saved me hours of work
- Location
- Lincs / Notts
Just bought one in readiness for RTand it was delivered this morning.View attachment 1036782This is what I failed on didn't have one on the chemical store door FFS,
Just a heads up everyone.
So I printed this,stuck it through the laminator then tape it to the door.
She was very impressed.............
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For a man
Well I’ve done nothing for the ‘visit’
time of year wen the grain store/machinery shed is in disarray but it will be sorted as all the kit in there moves into an empty cattle shed for the summer.
sprayer has a current test ticket on it and spray sheets I fill in as I go along.
most other stuff sumat like and any non conformances I will sort out after the event, no point at all wasting my time doing stuff to not be asked about it.
some stuff is so stupid I refuse to write down, not had an inspector yet who doesn’t back down wen challenged on it either.
time of year wen the grain store/machinery shed is in disarray but it will be sorted as all the kit in there moves into an empty cattle shed for the summer.
sprayer has a current test ticket on it and spray sheets I fill in as I go along.
most other stuff sumat like and any non conformances I will sort out after the event, no point at all wasting my time doing stuff to not be asked about it.
some stuff is so stupid I refuse to write down, not had an inspector yet who doesn’t back down wen challenged on it either.
No I'm not saying that. That sort of straw man argument might get you a few "Likes" on here. But if the BFU ever gets big enough to warrant an interview on this topic, you'll have to do a lot better than that.
- Location
- Yorks
It's just the double standards. That's all really.
And I stand by the belief there's nothing wrong with grain grown to UK legislative standards. Gov set our food standards, and they are quite happy. Not only are they happy, but they send inspectors to check we are complying with the laws. They check our grain drying and storage facilities, check we've got HACCP protocols in place for that grain drying and storage, check out pesticide stores, pesticide records, etc.
Please do say if you think food grown to the Gov standards is poisonous. Is it safe or not? Yes or no?
Edit. It doesn't really matter. What does matter is for the mills to have one set of requirements. The same for all grain from all countries. Not one set of easy rules for each and every country in the world, then a different set of rules for UK grain.
It's untenable to say they want extra checks on UK grain, especially seen as though UK grain is the only grain grown under rules set by our government.
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Why do we need to spin anything or go on TV? Just scrap RT. The public wouldn’t notice. They aren’t really interested. They buy on price and perceived quality not on whether a product has an RT badge. The only folks interested in RT are those who make a living peddling it.
We as farmers provide the raw ingredients to the food retailers. Those ingredients are mixed with all sorts of imported non RT products. That’s why bread loaves rarely show the RT mark. And nobody goes into a supermarket to buy 4 stone of British Wheat. Do you see the people who provide the foam stuffing for settees setting up an assurance mark and trying to persuade the public to only buy settees with that mark on it? Of course not. Trying to convey RT assurance onto supermarket shelves with any sort of credibility or trying to turn it into a brand just doesn’t fit into the way retailing works in practice. It therefore adds no value whatsoever to farm gate commodities which are bought and mixed with no RT imported oils, grains pulses and other constituents.
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
No signs at all on mine.View attachment 1036782This is what I failed on didn't have one on the chemical store door FFS,
Just a heads up everyone.
So I printed this,stuck it through the laminator then tape it to the door.
She was very impressed.............
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For a man
Told inspector signs advertise something worth breaking into..
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Compare RT with Food Hygiene ratings given to food outlet premises by local government environmental health inspectors.
Farmers pay for RT.
Food retailers don’t pay for environment health inspections.
RT can stop you selling produce due to a single non comformance.
Local EH inspectors give you a rating 1-5 and only stop you trading in the most serious of cases.
The fact that we as industry via the NFU have inflicted upon ourselves one of the most costly and draconian schemes known in any industry in the U.K. quite frankly beggars belief, particularly when it provides no added value whatsoever to farmers as we have no control with what our products are mixed or how they are treated once they have left the farm gate.
Farmers pay for RT.
Food retailers don’t pay for environment health inspections.
RT can stop you selling produce due to a single non comformance.
Local EH inspectors give you a rating 1-5 and only stop you trading in the most serious of cases.
The fact that we as industry via the NFU have inflicted upon ourselves one of the most costly and draconian schemes known in any industry in the U.K. quite frankly beggars belief, particularly when it provides no added value whatsoever to farmers as we have no control with what our products are mixed or how they are treated once they have left the farm gate.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The simple test is does RT add value when compared to non assured imports? The answer is clearly no. So what’s the point of it?