Charlie Gill
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Can I ask a question? Do you think the invasion was justified?
The war in Ukraine...
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My father fought in Korea so I’m not against it and if I was called up to fight for our own country I’d go (unlike some on here who would give it away) although I might b abit to old
Of course,
I don't think it was justified
But I do think that everything that led to it over the years since 2014 wasn't solely Russia's fault.
And the denazification justification that Russia uses as a scapegoat isn't purely made up, and the Ukrainian state since 2014 has a serious problem with right wing militias.
However, all of that does not justify the invasion, far from it
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Yep, NASAMs, it's good kit. I know someone whose son is involved with training some of the Ukrainians over here, he's a gunner, and one of his colleagues was on attachment with the Ozzie unit preparing to receive Australia's NASAMs*, and the universal opinion was that - and forgive the technical jargon - it is sh!t hot.
Very good of the US to buy the best available now, rather than wait a bit to ensure a US supplied version could go. I'm not a fan of President Biden generally, but this does demonstrate a very good example of prioritisation and a sense of urgency; so, fair play, it deserves praise.
*word is that this order may, for obvious reasons, now be a little late in its delivery...
Edit to add: there's a rumour that we are / will be sending a few more MLRS than was originally announced
I'm pretty sure you won't get my point, but technically speaking, what does fighting in Korea have to do with defending your own country as someone from Britain.
Isn't it just as imperialistic as Russia invading Ukraine for British troops to fight in Korea.
Before I'm misunderstood yet again if the Soviet Union, China and the United States and before that the Japanese didn't pour in Weapons and Soldiers Korea wouldn't be divided now.
It’s called doing your duty!!!
Charlie Gill
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With no justification, best we do all we can.
What I find disappointing is; we aren't doing the best we can.
It isn't your duty to go inside another Country and kill the people living there.
My Grandfather did his duty too, but that doesn't mean that it was a good thing
Doing the best we can isn't necessarily tied to delivering weapons.
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What should be happening?
Diplomacy
Charlie Gill
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What does that look like?
Talks, finding a compromise, offering a way out.
Considerably harder than before, but it worked in 2015 and there is also a solution in this war that can be reached with diplomacy and is acceptable for both sides.
The alternative is further bloodshed.
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If the invasion wasn't justified, why is a compromise necessary?
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2015 - what happened then? If you’re meaning Crimea I wouldn’t have called that a compromise so much as a capitulation and it wasn’t acceptable to both sides either, as evidenced by the 2022 invasion.
I have thoughts of further back too, when it most certainly didn’t work.
Because life isn't fair
Because the alternative is further bloodshed
So far the Situation for Ukraine only got worse and Wonder weapons won't do what you expect them to do.
Ukraine can't win this militarily, and they'll have to find a compromise.
This is the way it worked and they way it has always worked. Be it the winter war , Korea etc.
And we are only encountering these situations because of a lack of Diplomacy to begin with.
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The Conflict in the east, the ceasefire and everything that followed.
it's funny because the Russians saw it as unfinished Business too because there were still fascists in Kiev.
And now because we didn't implement Minsk 2 we are where we are. Hurt feelings prevented the reasonable compromise.
WW2 is completely different, if you want Putin to be gone you'd have to occupy Russia and reeducate its population like in Germany after WW2. But that would mean nuclear war.
Cant do that nowadays
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So you’re a coward then? Gotcha. Give the bully what he wants, whenever he asks for it.
Thank goodness that there are some out there with a backbone to look after you, because it’s obvious you aren’t up for anything.
And you are a moron if you think the only path to peace is prolonged conflict.
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I’m not and I don’t, but immediate capitulation will never stop an aggressor.