Groundswell Show 2022

Bury the Trash · Aug 7, 2022

Poorbuthappy said:
Well whatever you do don't waste your time listening to someone spout about it on YouTube

In deed Neighbour fitted evacuated tubes 30 yrs ago very practical no frills system , quet chap and very knowledgable about alsorts ,brexiteer mind you ,no ones perfect

Energy costs makes him look way ahead of his time i guess, i just need to speed up not so easy as you get older

steveR · Aug 7, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
In deed Neighbour fitted evacuated tubes 30 yrs ago very practical no frills system , quet chap and very knowledgable about alsorts ,brexiteer mind you ,no ones perfect

Energy costs makes him look way ahead of his time i guess, i just need to speed up not so easy as you get older

Solar thermal has gone out of fashion/favour, but is still a good and simple technology.

Heck, CAT in Mid Wales were demonstrating simple systems with old radiators painted black, 35-40 odd years ago! Insulated behind and glass in front and cheap hot water for added performance. I cannot believe anyone with a swimming pool or has need of hot water in the summer months, who fails to use solar thermal in this country....

Bury the Trash · Aug 7, 2022

steveR said:
Solar thermal has gone out of fashion/favour, but is still a good and simple technology.

Heck, CAT in Mid Wales were showing simple systems with old radiators painted black, 35-40 odd years ago! Insulated behind and glass in front and cheap hot water for added performance. I cannot believe anyone with a swimming pool or has need of hot water in the summer months, who fails to use solar thermal in this country....

I'll let you know how i get on

Plumbing is a slightly safer bet (i think

) than electrics for an amateur, not rocket science just need to push away those feelings of ' i cant do it'

or 'wtf have i got myself into this time

and 'best to pay someone else, an expert'

will be okay don't worry, just keep going

way better hourly rates than farming .

holwellcourtfarm · Aug 7, 2022

steveR said:
Solar thermal has gone out of fashion/favour, but is still a good and simple technology.

Heck, CAT in Mid Wales were showing simple systems with old radiators painted black, 35-40 odd years ago! Insulated behind and glass in front and cheap hot water for added performance. I cannot believe anyone with a swimming pool or has need of hot water in the summer months, who fails to use solar thermal in this country....

Our experience (18 years):

To much hot water in summer, bugger all in winter. I'd consider a simple, cheap, flat plate collector system in future but wouldn't spend the money on a fancy commercial system.

Bury the Trash · Aug 7, 2022

in Winter we use the rayburn ,
i wonder if you can still get a washing machine that will use hot water

Lincsman · Aug 7, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
in Winter we use the rayburn ,
i wonder if you can still get a washing machine that will use hot water

Lincsman · Aug 7, 2022

They all do if you connect to hot instead of cold.
.Dishwashers here are always on the hot tap

Bury the Trash · Aug 7, 2022

I guess. because theres a thermostat in all of them anyway.
only thing might be a problm with really hot water entering damaging seals or something

only trouble we used to get with them is limescale build up was worse in those old machoines. than just using a 'modern' just cold supply.
Ebac do one looks like it.

gone to Ground swell wouldnt help me with that one

Ffermer Bach · Aug 7, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
New drills and shakerators slug rakes etc are all part of novel consumerism.
not much bag fert used here and no slugpellets,

A simple plough, harrow and vicon varispreader can last one mans career .

Not sure as a small farmer i would go to a 2.5 k acre estate for advice either.
Good (slow) rotation basics ,and small fields retain diversity .
pertinent thought on aspect , not late season etc working saves soil erosion
Use your own thoughts and trial and error dont waste time and get distarcted by some yank on you tube .

very interesting talk from someone who farmed as a part time job, with 70 acres, regenerative journey. Just because the owners of the Groundswell site farm a lot of land, it does not mean that the show/conference is all about large arable acres and the message about looking after soil is the same no matter how big the farm.

Lincsman · Aug 7, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
I guess. because theres a thermostat in all of them anyway.
only thing might be a problm with really hot water entering damaging seals or something

only trouble we used to get with them is limescale build up was worse in those old machoines. than just using a 'modern' just cold supply.
Ebac do one looks like it.

gone to Ground swell wouldnt help me with that one

They all make the water very hot anyway at some point, the reason Cold only machines were invented was to reduce cost.. (lots less components inside a cold only washing machine) and you get better "A" ratings as the machine doesnt pull hot water through the house pipes making them hot only for it to go cold.

Lincsman · Aug 7, 2022

Ffermer Bach said:
very interesting talk from someone who farmed as a part time job, with 70 acres, regenerative journey. Just because the owners of the Groundswell site farm a lot of land, it does not mean that the show/conference is all about large arable acres and the message about looking after soil is the same no matter how big the farm.

So didnt have to make profit from it?

holwellcourtfarm · Aug 7, 2022

Ffermer Bach said:
very interesting talk from someone who farmed as a part time job, with 70 acres, regenerative journey. Just because the owners of the Groundswell site farm a lot of land, it does not mean that the show/conference is all about large arable acres and the message about looking after soil is the same no matter how big the farm.

@Karliboy

Bury the Trash · Aug 7, 2022

Lincsman said:
They all make the water very hot anyway at some point, the reason Cold only machines were invented was to reduce cost.. (lots less components inside a cold only washing machine) and you get better "A" ratings as the machine doesnt pull hot water through the house pipes making them hot only for it to go cold.

thinking of changing an 11 yr old aeg here been very good machine but last few months its showing its age and some programs need manual prompting on the dial to finish etc,
Come to think of it could plumb it in to the hot as an experiment with nothing much to lose.

Lincsman · Aug 7, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
thinking of changing an 11 yr old aeg here been very good machine but last few months its showing its age and some programs need manual prompting on the dial to finish etc,
Come to think of it could plumb it in to the hot as an experiment with nothing much to lose.

Just check the hose can do hot, dishwashers generally have hot type hoses i have found.

Bury the Trash · Aug 7, 2022

holwellcourtfarm said:
@Karliboy

does he have solar thermal ?

wouldnt be a package deal, just bits and built myself , same a s PV but wired in off grid so no complications with grid connections export contracts etc.
Small genny for back and battery charging in the dark.

Wife family (dairy farmers) never had anything other tahn a lister start o matic and spring water , right up until FiL retired and sold up in the late Nineties.
Boy was he a good traditional and modest, farmer put me to shame probably.

steveR · Aug 7, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
in Winter we use the rayburn ,
i wonder if you can still get a washing machine that will use hot water

Wish we could, certainly the local white goods specialists looked bemused when I asked!!

steveR · Aug 7, 2022

Lincsman said:
They all do if you connect to hot instead of cold.
.Dishwashers here are always on the hot tap

No problems?

Our hot water at this time of year is quite... Hot! I allow the DHW tank to run higher than usual when the solar PV is topping up.

steveR · Aug 7, 2022

Lincsman said:
They all make the water very hot anyway at some point, the reason Cold only machines were invented was to reduce cost.. (lots less components inside a cold only washing machine) and you get better "A" ratings as the machine doesnt pull hot water through the house pipes making them hot only for it to go cold.

That would be irrelevant for us, as the DHW is on a pumped system

Time for me to have a look under the sink and see if there is a hot supply. If not, only 10mins with a clamp connector...

Lincsman · Aug 7, 2022

steveR said:
No problems?

Our hot water at this time of year is quite... Hot! I allow the DHW tank to run higher than usual when the solar PV is topping up.

Might be an issue for a washing machine doing rinses, and fabric that needs cooler water, ours is set at 60 degrees on the DHW tank. The PV imersions are in the biomass buffer tank that's topped up with oil boiler as required on cloudy days

I wonder if it's possible to mix water like a gravity fed shower?

steveR · Aug 7, 2022

Lincsman said:
Might be an issue for a washing machine doing rinses, and fabric that needs cooler water, ours is set at 60 degrees on the DHW tank. The PV imersions are in the biomass buffer tank that's topped up with oil boiler as required on cloudy days

I wonder if it's possible to mix water like a gravity fed shower?

I would use hot for purely diswasher work...

BUT.... it is relatively easy to do a mixer system. In theory, that is what is supposed to happen to water going into our DHW system but I have raised the temps. Showers all have a mixer in teh valve gear...

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