The money we pay them enables those further up the food chain to profit such as supermarkets, it does not benefit us financially at all, we are being taken for a ride!
Red Tractor non conformance
- Thread starter Bignor Farmer
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- Location
- Yorks
Exactly as my OSR example. Don't think I'll bother with RaT next season, so that means OSR lost from our rotation, and more imported to displace it.
- Location
- Essex
What's to stop your neighbour growing it and selling to you off the combine?
Edit: with the appropriate sticker of course
Edit: with the appropriate sticker of course
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Good luck. I’m sure there are ways and means. I’ve survived so far, just needs a bit more thought finding the right buyers.
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
Other way round surely, he grows it and sells it to his neighbour at say green bud as a standing crop at a price per ton with price to be agreed at harvest.
- Location
- Yorks
Don't think there's anything wrong with that. Wouldn't be doing anything against the rules afaik. Not dissimilar to when a FA grower might buy a farm from a non-assured grower mid-season.
In a similar manner, cattle can turn into FA beef after 90 days residency. If they're happy with that, then they shouldn't have any problem with grain changing hands 90 days before sale. It's exactly the same.
As long as you use a qualified agronomist, pest protection products to uk regs, your a qualified sprayer op ands[racer has current test I would reckon there shouldn’t be an issue if you stayed in ownership of it till the day it gets combined.
tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
Farming student
But nobody wants your tickboxed stuff anyway because otherwise they wouldn't be importing grain and mixing it with your so called premium stuff.
Doesnt make sense does it?
- Location
- Yorks
I've just had a glance through RT standards, can't see where it says need machinery maintenance records @FarmyStu , but inspector always asks to see them 
, so since being asked for it, I've always presumed you needed to do it.
That said, looks like RT standards say need to clean machinery which come into contact with grain, and gives example of combine harvester.
Not sure how to regularly clean inside of combine harvester, or inside of grain dryer.
, so since being asked for it, I've always presumed you needed to do it.That said, looks like RT standards say need to clean machinery which come into contact with grain, and gives example of combine harvester.
Not sure how to regularly clean inside of combine harvester
, or inside of grain dryer.To be fair the inspector is usually only interested in a date you done it not the actual record itself, all total boll0cks really as you can either make it up or just hide the machine behind the straw stack and tell him you use contractors. TBH for us it’s easier to make a date up than find the jump leads to wake our auld threshing set from its winter slumberI've just had a glance through RT standards, can't see where it says need machinery maintenance records @FarmyStu , but inspector always asks to see them
That said, looks like RT standards say need to clean machinery which come into contact with grain, and gives example of combine harvester.
Not sure how to regularly clean inside of combine harvester
it’s there on the inspectors laptop though that much I do know as we been asked the same question for years both by NSF and SAI with several different inspectors. and wen we used contractors it was just glossed over. It’s only since we bought our own machine that they insisted on a cleaning/maintenance date.
yes we get asked for cleaning/maintence of drier as well. Wonder if they will accept a date of July 2022 for my harvest 2023 grain as it never got used this time.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I would certainly ask the inspector to show me where that standard is,
Also, if you have livestock on the farm and the are inspecting arable, tell them to disinfect their footwear, wear waterproof overalls and that you want records of every farm they have been on for the last month.
If they can’t do that, tell them to bugger off until they do and report them to their head office.
I’ve said for a long time the inspectors should carry a bio security record that’s is to be made available to farmers on request.
obviously due to data security they would need every farmers permission to pass details of where they been on. Would only need one farmer to refuse and there stuffed
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Where would it end?
The mechanic who services your combine needs to complete a declaration every time he maintains it that he’s left it clean and safe.
Then maybe he needs a course on how to leave a combine clean and safe?
Then maybe we ought to wrap the combine in cellophane after it’s been cleaned so we have evidence of tampering.or subsequent contamination.
Then we need a procedure on how to safely unwrap the combine before use.
It really is limitless how far you could go with “standards.” We’d end up with nothing done at great expense which is why the country’s bust.
What hope if any of his message getting through? Negligible I’d say. Which is why I’m glad I’m getting nearer to retirement.
The mechanic who services your combine needs to complete a declaration every time he maintains it that he’s left it clean and safe.
Then maybe he needs a course on how to leave a combine clean and safe?
Then maybe we ought to wrap the combine in cellophane after it’s been cleaned so we have evidence of tampering.or subsequent contamination.
Then we need a procedure on how to safely unwrap the combine before use.
It really is limitless how far you could go with “standards.” We’d end up with nothing done at great expense which is why the country’s bust.
What hope if any of his message getting through? Negligible I’d say. Which is why I’m glad I’m getting nearer to retirement.
- Location
- Yorks
This is the thing. RT is trotted out as this marvellous assurance scheme which processors can't do without, almost guaranteeing total food safety, but of course the non-assured is very dangerous and not even good enough to feed to pigs.
RT has numerous dreadful flaws. Correct a non conformance after the grain has been grown and it's absolutely fine
. Have a record of grain bucket cleaning and pass with flying colours, but absolutely zero thought to fact you were loading FYM and it's all over the tyres.I'd rather have a system where merchant comes for a sample, knows my farm, can see what the store is like, and can make a judgement if they want to buy my grain or not.
- Location
- Somerset UK
I gave you a 'funny' on that but unfortunately that's the way the whole country is going, in the future we will have full employment but we won't produce anything as the entire work force are inspecting and assuring each other.
tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
And a rubbish made up tickboxed date from them is no good eitherI’ve said for a long time the inspectors should carry a bio security record that’s is to be made available to farmers on request.
obviously due to data security they would need every farmers permission to pass details of where they been on. Would only need one farmer to refuse and there stuffed
Signed by previous recipients of audits would be crucial
Tip of the day don't sign anything an inspector asks for
snipe
Member
- Location
- west yorkshire
I know of a few people who have a book of records and just put the day and month down but not the year on the forms inside. then just change the date on the front of the book.