wanton dwarf
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You couldn't go swimming?
Seriously?
Are you sure you were in the EU at all?
Do tell how you were banned from the library too
"No way that was in the EU".
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"No way that was in the EU".
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- Limousin, France
So you didn't follow the rules and register."No way that was in the EU".
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As an EU citizen, in work and properly declared, you couldn't be discriminated against.
If you couldn't get a job within 3 months you were asked to leave. Belgium strictly enforced the rules available to all EU countries including the UK.
And you've completely misunderstood that link.
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wanton dwarf
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"No way that is in the EU".
Have you lived throughout the EU ? Because I have, read the bit at the end.
"Resident Cards issued to foriegners are not technically identity cards".
And quite rightly too, otherwise people would be getting services they don't pay taxes for or worse stealing with no recourse.
- Location
- Limousin, France
Here's is a summary of EU citizens rights in Belgium
What do I need to work in Belgium as a EU citizen?
EU/EFTA citizens (EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland) do not need a visa or permit to work in Belgium. This includes citizens of Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ireland, and Romania – EU countries that are not part of the Schengen Agreement.
https://www.expatica.com › moving
Work-related visas in Belgium - Expatica
wanton dwarf
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- Location
- Limousin, France
Who needs a Belgian visa?
EU/EFTA nationals
As a citizen of an EU or EFTA country (EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland), you do not need a visa to travel, study, live, and work in Belgium. You may, however, have to report your arrival to the local town hall within 10 days. This is usually the case if you’re staying in private accommodation instead of a hotel. The municipality will give you the Annex 3ter form (official declaration of arrival) that entitles you to stay in Belgium for up to three months
If you plan to stay in Belgium for longer than 90 days (three months), you will need to register with the Immigration Office in your city. You’ll also need to apply for a Belgian residence (eID) card.
Citizens of EU countries that are not part of the Schengen Agreement may have to show their passports upon arrival. These countries include Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, and Romania. Regardless, the EU recommends all its citizens carry a passport or national ID card when traveling between the member states.
- Location
- Limousin, France
So my daughter can register, work , live, use the health service, rent, buy a house with no restrictions but you reckon she can't go swimming or use a library
I , on the other hand , can no longer do that.
I , on the other hand , can no longer do that.
Old McDonald
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- Harray, Orkney
Oh dear WD, I have a horrible suspicion you have yet again misinterpreted what the regulations are. lbp is not a muppet. I disagree with almost everything he posts, and he is wrong about people being not being able to move between the UK and EU, but he is not a muppet. On the other hand I regret you may be.
its yourself
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- Location
- Scotland, Finland and France.
Digital ID that doesn't work for EU citizens in UK.
Services only available if you pay into the system.
ID asked for in hospital school and doctors surgery.
Childrens ID too.
Been there done that.
Papers please is a common UK question.
I'm in the city every few weeks. Never had a problem. Never been asked for ID.
You have an attitude problem with the law I think.
Seen it often enough from arrogant expat types.
It's never successful. Lots of whiney running back to England. Some stay. You did.
I had health insurance in the UK until they wouldn't pay as I cost them too much.
I pay a fraction of the UK cost for my mutual top up insurance. No questions asked.
Police with guns at train stations and airports are normal in UK too. Have been for years.
Tax on houses in Scotland is normal too.
The missus was born and grew up in a different country so yes we do know it all.
Certainly more than you.
Get that scan your anger levels are a symptom.
I SO agree - and seem to have much in common. To me (to us, my wife is also from another country) it has also always been gratifying to see that being (or trying to be) open-minded to how things are done in different countries and cultures generally leads to things being done better. (Yes, sometimes worse as well but then, with the benefit of shared thinking, those 'worse things' can then be improved too.)
And your comment about arrogant expat types rings a loud bell (and I deeply hope I didn't, in my earlier years, fall into that trap.)
Another lengthy one. Too long for me to reply to every point,I think you have far more spare time than me.
The hypocrisy is that you did use freedom of movement to farm in Portugal but then support the withdrawal of that right for following generations. Whatever you contributed to the economy is irrelevant. The fact that you state you have the money to live anywhere you want demonstrates your lack of understanding of the freedom of movement afforded by the EU.
UK citizens can still move to the EU but it is now a lot harder than it was in your day. For instance if you want to farm in France you now have to have a residence permit and a 5year business plan in order to obtain a work permit ,without which you cannot undertake any sort of work. You also have to demonstrate you have the funds to support yourself until the business plan kicks in. Before Brexit it was just a question of buying a farm and pouring your money into it.
I did not assume you were sheltered from financial pressures when young but I do assume that you are now sheltered from the financial pressures of modern life. I also assume that as you chose to live in Orkney that you are sheltered from the every man for himself attitude that now exists in the UK. I do assume that you are elderly so don’t have to worry about education for your children or your childrens future.
I do assume that most expats have financial ties to the UK and I do assume that as expats they have the intention of returning to the UK so it is fair to assume they do not hate the UK and want the UK to thrive and prosper. If they are not expats they are emigrants which is different. Regardless of which category they fall into ,if they carry a British passport then they are British citizens and as such they have opinions and rights,they do not give them up because they choose to live elsewhere.
I did not assume you returned to the UK because you had health problems. You stated in an earlier post that you returned to the UK because of health problems.
As I stated I voted to join the common market and I voted to remain in the European community in the hope that there would be far closer political ties than there were. I feel that over time the EEC has improved the lot of all its member countries including the UK. You didn’t state why you first decided to leave the UK but you must have ha fairly strong reasons as it is not a decision made lightly.
Do you know that he would not have been able to move to and farm in Portugal had the UK not been a eu member at that time ?
It was not his fault the UK was an eu member as he voted against it first time round so if it was up to him there would have been no "freedom of movement" so if you want to blame someone for that you best go find someone else
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- Beragh, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland
You have not given my full quote. The hypocrisy was not that he used the freedom of movement within the EU to farm but that he used the freedom of movement to farm and then supports removing that same freedom of movement for others.
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- Limousin, France
You can move to the EU but you need to be a lot better off than Gladys from the canteen. You need a good job or a viable business. Or a large deposit in a bank account.
Three farmers have been refused visas , as the farms they wanted did not make the required income.
A UK farmer has successfully moved about 40 minutes away but he bought farm, stock and machinery outright, 200000 in a working account and a few million on deposit. He had no problem getting a visa.
Old McDonald
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- Harray, Orkney
All these folks crying “Hypocrisy” about me moving from the UK to Portugal must be about ready to burst their boiler as the saying goes when I tell them I moved from another country into the EU in 1992. The matter of FoM did not enter my head when deciding to move to Portugal. We chose it because it is safe, extremely cheap to live; just about the only country that has not been at war with the UK (perhaps only England?), and we like Port.
Of course I have lots of spare time, I am retired. If you did not wrongly assume so much you would receive much shorter replies.
What a load of rubbish that following generations cannot move into the EU from the UK. The idea of FofM formed no part of my decision to vote out in both referendums. I have already told you that people are moving now. Unless the EU unilaterally decides to ban UK citizens from moving to the EU it will continue.
I did not state I had the money to live anywhere I want. Again you assume. We could not afford to live in Australia for instance otherwise we might have gone there instead of Portugal. We needed to cut back on our excessive workload on the Black Isle (literally 100+ hours each every week) and move to somewhere that needed less input of time. We had to provide as much of our own requirements as possible due to lack of income. Too old to go behind a desk yet again. That meant farming somewhere as it is the only way I can provide much for ourselves. I fully understand a lot more than you give me credit for when it comes to reading legislation, regulations and documents. It was part of my employment for more years than I wanted. I do understand that FoM allows people with almost nothing to move to another country. I knew several who were living in poverty in Portugal on a tiny piece of ground (only a few hundred Euros to buy such land) and had bought with the idea they would be self sufficient. They live in tents, caravans or camper vans and often have children. They are not all Brits. I am aware of, but never met, one British family, about 5 miles from me, who were reduced to foraging for food and all ended up in intensive care, apparently from eating poisonous fungus. That is the downside of FoM. Poor people end up somewhere where they have no family to help out in emergencies. Human nature means they will not beg for help in the neighbourhood so nobody knows how much they need assistance. Somebody able to buy next week’s groceries does not have that problem.
Is it really so much harder to move to the EU? Your admission that it is possible, even if harder is somewhat different to saying movement is denied, which if not explicitly stated, was implied in your earlier post, and others picked up and repeated similar.
Merely to get a Portuguese driving licence, and well before Cameron had even thought of a referendum, I had to get a residence permit. That was not straightforward. I have always been a peasant farmer – someone who farms with the purpose of providing subsistence for himself and dependants. I have never had spare cash. Everything I had was in the property, machinery and stock. I had to give details of all my assets; bank statements for some time, I forget how long; income and projected future income and prove I was entitled to live in the house I occupied. So, not unlike the requirements you say are needed in order to farm in France. It appears more difficult to move to France than some other places. Perhaps that is a hidden policy by the French. Furthermore I had to register with a medical practice before applying for my driving licence. To register I also had to prove my right to occupy my house.
@wanton dwarf take notice of this – it is supporting part of what you have already posted about restrictions, but only part. I did not use swimming pools, but I was told it was necessary to obtain some sort of permit for that too. Hearsay, but I believe it.
We thought we might as well get a residence permit for my wife too. The person interviewing us declined it because my wife has a pittance of an OAP as her sole income and it was not sufficient to grant her a permit. Eventually we managed to persuade the powers that be that through our peasant lifestyle and my pensions there was sufficient to support us both – but it took time.
You assume I am sheltered from the financial pressures of modern life. Wrong yet again. We eat well and heat our home as necessary, but until I am able to provide more food it costs us more to live than we have coming in. I do have a 10 year old car, but it is just about essential. You assume I am sheltered from the “every man for himself attitude” in the UK. If it exists throughout the UK, why would Orkney be different?
I do not personally know any ex-pats who have financial ties to the UK. Some on here do, but how many of them have indicated they intend to return to the UK permanently? It is obvious from their posts they do not, yet you assume that most ex-pats, twice you have said most, do have financial ties to the UK and you assume they want to return to the UK to live. You assume they do not hate the UK and want it to thrive and prosper. How many do you know (anywhere in the world) that fit your assumptions? I know more than a few that are the opposite to what you assume. I agree those who keep their British nationality have opinions and rights, but some become citizens of their adoptive country. Again I know some (all in Australia) who became Australian citizens. My own brother was one, although admittedly they were still recognised as also British by the UK.
I did not state that I returned to the UK for health reasons, and had to explain to you what I did say about health and living in softer climes, but you missed that. If things become too difficult here from a financial perspective we might move somewhere softer again.
As I have already told you, you did not vote to join the Common Market. Nobody did. Ted Heath took us into the then EC and Harold Wilson gave us the option to remain or get out. You may well have voted to Remain in 1975. You were going to get closer political ties for its members whether you liked it or not because that was the main aim - as I posted earlier about the Treaty of Rome and that is when you decided to start posting your wrong assumptions, responding to me about a post I had made to somebody else. You did not have to direct a post to me, but chose to do so. Whether or not the EU and its predecessors improved things for anyone in particular is a subjective decision by the person involved. I was always opposed to its ability to be part of the political decisions affecting me.
My wife and I first decided to leave the UK in 1979 after we had lost a lot of sheep in the ‘78/9 winter. Anyone farming in Northumberland then will know how bad it was. I understand there have been some bad ones since, and I know there were some before. We could not afford to properly restock and our initial thoughts were to downsize. We found we could not afford a smaller place as they were fetching too much money. My brother, living in Australia, was home on a visit and arranged to have some farming papers sent over. We decided to give it a try. For about half the sale price of our 163 acres we bought a much superior house and 3000 acres – some good, some not so good. We discovered that moving country is easy.
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- Limousin, France
It used to be possible to sell a house move here in your early 50s and buy eighty or hundred or so hectares. Live a comfortable life, fairly self sufficient raising cattle / sheep , bothering no one. Now if you want to bring a wife and 3 kids with you, the personal drawings required from your farm has to be 43000 euros. You do not fill the visa requirements unless you can generate that income. Or have significant money on deposit.This is why the 3 farmers were turned down. Insufficient income.
This was said to us by our Notaire. Not someone on an internet forum or second/ third hand heresay. He actually said that he had not realised how stringent the Visa requirements are until trying to navigate farm sales. And while you can look at farms and sign a compromie, the financial study must be completed and Visa has to be granted before the final Act of sale.
The majority of people who can afford that would go to Canada or Australia.
Not including Ireland as CTA rules apply to UK citizens.
This was said to us by our Notaire. Not someone on an internet forum or second/ third hand heresay. He actually said that he had not realised how stringent the Visa requirements are until trying to navigate farm sales. And while you can look at farms and sign a compromie, the financial study must be completed and Visa has to be granted before the final Act of sale.
The majority of people who can afford that would go to Canada or Australia.
Not including Ireland as CTA rules apply to UK citizens.
Farfrae
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- Pontargothi, Carmarthenshire
The wreckage of Brexit is all around us. How long can our politicians indulge in denial?
Ok it's the Guardian, but fair points?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/01/wreckage-of-brexit-politicians-denial
until it stops running
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