Ah. So folks didn't take part in the co-design process, telling Defra what was best for their business, because of some gob sh!te on an internet forum ? Got it.
Livestock farmers unite, we have a PROBLEM!!!!
- Thread starter Bossfarmer
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Ah. So folks didn't take part in the co-design process, telling Defra what was best for their business, because of some gob sh!te on an internet forum ? Got it.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Are DEFRA not paying £1000 purely to pay for doing the admin of applying?
No you haven't
No
- Location
- Essex
Maybe, but if you can't pay someone a fair day's pay, something has to change. Cheap wages just end up costing the taxpayer in benefits, just like cheap food costing the taxpayer in subsidies.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Really? I'm sure that was in the last announcement they made about new options.
Hilly
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Make everyone self employed, would solve a few problems !
I raised the real issue with regards ELMS and livestock support back in 2020.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/all-this-grass.334332/
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/all-this-grass.334332/
livestock 1
Member
Any business that requires staff doesn’t require a spanner thrown in the works as far as their calculations on costs with wage rises annually. As you are aware farming businesses can’t pass these costs on so it just puts extra stress on. It also causes inflation in a big way. Puts thousands out of work every time it rises
- Location
- Durham, UK
Because people have to live, jesus what a comment. I suppose youd bring back the workhouse?
No they are not not paying ....
- Location
- Essex
As farmers we are all in the same boat, but somehow the idea that food must be cheap has taken hold. That has to change if we are ever to prosper without taxpayer handouts.
I know we can't pass our costs on easily; everyone else seems to though don't they? Producers should be the most valued sector of the food economy.
serf
Member
- Location
- warwickshire
you go Waitrose instead ....Don't shop there anyway
livestock 1
Member
I think farming works differently. We probably are producing at the lower end of values most of the time when things fall below or near cop a few get out then things rise again for a while. I could be wrong but it’s an observation I’ve noticed over the years.
- Location
- Essex
Seems to be the norm. I hope the changes in "farm support" will make farmers think twice about working all the hours to break even. No one else does.
We're supposed to be a business not a hobby.
- Location
- Ledbury, Herefordshire
So the funding achieved precisely nothing then (apart from in some places creating a low wage, zero hours economy). Hmmmmmmm
- Location
- Fife
Farmers (by and large) don't produce food. They produce a commodity that someone else processes and then retails as food.
The commodity component of food pricing is very small. Using the example of a loaf of bread. There's 550g of wheat needed to produce an 800g loaf.
Milling wheat @£300/t means the wheat cost of the loaf is £0.17. Retail price of Warburtons extra thick, £1.20.
A 50% increase in the commodity price (£450/t or £0.26/loaf) would only represent a 7.5% pricr rise at retail.
Subsidies don't keep food cheap for the consumer. They enable extra profit to be made by the processor and the retailer.
There are vegans and vegans Bossfarmer, for some it's just a choice where they don't hold any negativity towards agriculture. There are as many meat eaters hating noisy vegans as there are the opposite. Truth be had, most of the schemes for every sector are terribly thought out and are not based around sustainable food production, but townie pleasing.
Johnnyboxer
Member
- Location
- Yorkshire
That’s very true and a great example
Adding value to ‘your commodity’ is where it’s at, in future if farming is to prosper
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