BPS removal, HOW will you replace yours??

BPS removal, HOW will you replace yours??

  • increase sucklers

    Votes: 8 3.5%

  • increase sheep

    Votes: 9 3.9%

  • increase cereals

    Votes: 9 3.9%

  • farm shop

    Votes: 3 1.3%

  • glamping

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • renewables

    Votes: 12 5.2%

  • decrease production?

    Votes: 33 14.4%

  • stick head in the sand

    Votes: 72 31.4%

  • other

    Votes: 81 35.4%
  • Total voters
    229
Bossfarmer

Bossfarmer

Member
Location
between Perth and Inverness
hill shepherd said:
BPS in recent years has paid our rent ( family owned farm but have to pay rent to parents ), paid our tax bill and what was left went into savings. Going forward we'll have to reduce what goes into savings, if there's no profit there'll be no tax to pay, rent review with parents to see what we can afford to pay. Far from an ideal situation but we'll just have to keep our heads above water for a year or five and see what effect bps removal has on trade. Some might say its burying our heads in the sand or we haven't prepared but what exactly are we supposed to be doing to prepare? It will be possible for us to up the sheep a bit if the numbers stack up otherwise we'll have to concentrate more on farming tourists
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"but what exactly are we supposed to be doing to prepare?"

this is true in many cases especially in areas where diversification options are limited and could be considered patronising for people to say get prepared like a farmer isnt already going all out for profit so i can see your point
 
N

Northern territory

Member
Livestock Farmer
Exmoor Farm said:
come on guys, surely all we need to do is read a Gabe Brown book, buy a direct drill and apply for SFI.

Our farms will suddenly become more profitable despite the loss of bps. We’ll thank Defra’s policies for showing us the light and proclaim that we now work with nature rather than against it.

By regularly testing the organic matter of our soils and producing a soil management, IPM plan and herd health plan we’ll make our farms more productive with less fertiliser, chemicals and antibiotics.

The English public will sacrifice their hard earned cash in a cost of living crisis by shunning foreign imports to buy more expensive homegrown food in order to support English farmers.

The government won’t look for small Brexit PR wins by agreeing one sided trade deals which betray our industry.

Food processors won’t illegally mix imported meat with homegrown meat because they won’t prioritise their own profitability above supporting our country’s primary producers.

Foreign countries will look at Defra’s policies as the example to copy and will immediately phase out their own subsidies whilst dramatically increasing regulations to match Red Tractor standards. This is vital as it will mean we’ll all be on a level playing field whilst we compete with foreign farmers on globalised commodity markets.

Inflation will soon subside meaning farm inputs will no longer rise at 10%/annum whilst grain and meat prices flatline. It also means the value of the ring fenced £2.4 billion farm support budget won’t continue to erode in real terms.

I fully expect us to all end up all standing in our yards and clapping for Mark Spencer and DEFRA for supporting us through the agricultural transition
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You old cynic you.
 
T

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
Bossfarmer said:
"but what exactly are we supposed to be doing to prepare?"

this is true in many cases especially in areas where diversification options are limited and could be considered patronising for people to say get prepared like a farmer isnt already going all out for profit so i can see your point
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Tenants in many cases have little or no option but to farm so how they are supposed to prepare themselves for Armageddon is difficult to see. Giving up farming is the only way and I can name 5 tenants that I know who are doing just that.
 
N

Northern territory

Member
Livestock Farmer
Top Tip. said:
Tenants in many cases have little or no option but to farm so how they are supposed to prepare themselves for Armageddon is difficult to see. Giving up farming is the only way and I can name 5 tenants that I know who are doing just that.
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Seems to have been a lot of farm sales around here lately. Farmers getting less and bigger or contractors farming it mainly.
 
Ceri

Ceri

Member
Bossfarmer said:
dont buy it, wat did he say
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Basically back in the depression the difference between a good farmer & a successful farmer was the good farmers who farmed well, maintained & drove on unfortunately went out of business where as the successful farmers sat quiet & weathered the storm until it come good (And it will come good) Thinks this may be the same now over the nxt few years with the total disregard government has for farming and tbh I can’t help but agree with him……
 
B

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Ceri said:
Basically back in the depression the difference between a good farmer & a successful farmer was the good farmers who farmed well, maintained & drove on unfortunately went out of business where as the successful farmers sat quiet & weathered the storm until it come good (And it will come good) Thinks this may be the same now over the nxt few years with the total disregard government has for farming and tbh I can’t help but agree with him…..
basically sit tight for now & go dog and stick…..
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So much of survival has to do with debt management, these latest SFI schemes have encouraged farmers to take on more debt to access grants & subsidies which is surely in the end going to be counter productive as interest rates rise & incomes fall.
 
Courier

Courier

Member
Location
M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Bossfarmer said:
"but what exactly are we supposed to be doing to prepare?"

this is true in many cases especially in areas where diversification options are limited and could be considered patronising for people to say get prepared like a farmer isnt already going all out for profit so i can see your point
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You’ve had since 23rd June 2016 to prepare ….. Some of us began many years previously after the supermarkets got involved in plastic extended life (Cravendale) milk distribution….
 
Bossfarmer

Bossfarmer

Member
Location
between Perth and Inverness
Top Tip. said:
The hill and upland sector is basically stuffed without bps .A few will find some form of diversification to subsidise the farming ,some will go part time and work of farm and subsidise the farming in that way . Some will expand and take over land from those who are giving up and will proceed to ranch these acres. The only certainty is that food production will fall and there will be a lot less farmer’s. The supply side are the ones who should really be worried John Deere have already said there shouldn’t be any farming north of Stonehaven and have restructured their business to take this into consideration.
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why should there be no farming north of stonehaven?
 
Hesstondriver

Hesstondriver

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Huntingdon
Ceri said:
Basically back in the depression the difference between a good farmer & a successful farmer was the good farmers who farmed well, maintained & drove on unfortunately went out of business where as the successful farmers sat quiet & weathered the storm until it come good (And it will come good) Thinks this may be the same now over the nxt few years with the total disregard government has for farming and tbh I can’t help but agree with him……
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I bet we have heddage payments back in 5 years
 
Vader

Vader

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Hindsight said:
I follow your logic in terms of a conversation with fellow like minded farmers on here G&G but what has it to do with government? I mean by that you infer government is going to command you as a farmer and businessman to produce food irrespective of the financials until you go bankrupt. But that is not the case. Government does not control your actions nor what you do (Ok you will fire back with comments about regulation/RT etc, etc) But it is every farmers choice to produce a crop or animal.

In the governments own document 'Health and Harmony' from 2018 the government stated it expected restructuring of the industry and that the market would pay to replace the reduced direct BPS payment as that pot of case moved to pay for 'public goods' and not subsidize food production. What the future for food production holds will depend on the retailers sourcing policy and government trade deals with other countries - well a combination of the two actually. As that will affect farm gate pricing.

I am interested in this thread G&G as I am 'hanger on' in the industry so intrigued by individuals replies and response. I am slightly surprised by the extent of the negativity to ELMS/SFI but I suppose it is still a new concept.

Cheers.
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There is negativity towards elms as it dont add up.
I had zoom meeting with Janet about it.
I filled in all I could get and it was to low to bother with.
Told her this. She did not seem to accept it. Told me how I would get more elms money.
Trouble was her ways meant less profitable way if farming. So elms increased but farm income from farming dropped more.

I think the single biggest mistake defra/rpa made with elms is they looked at it on its own versus bps as if a farm had no enviro stuff already. Then it might nearly just be ok.
But most farms already have other schemes so your limited to what extra you can get.
To put simply farmers were getting BPS then environment on top.
Now it will just be enviro, so it wont makeup bps at all.
 
H

Huno

Member
Arable Farmer
Vader said:
There is negativity towards elms as it dont add up.
I had zoom meeting with Janet about it.
I filled in all I could get and it was to low to bother with.
Told her this. She did not seem to accept it. Told me how I would get more elms money.
Trouble was her ways meant less profitable way if farming. So elms increased but farm income from farming dropped more.

I think the single biggest mistake defra/rpa made with elms is they looked at it on its own versus bps as if a farm had no enviro stuff already. Then it might nearly just be ok.
But most farms already have other schemes so your limited to what extra you can get.
To put simply farmers were getting BPS then environment on top.
Now it will just be enviro, so it wont makeup bps at all.
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Hughes doesn't care about farms already doing good things only those that don't and that was a face to face meeting
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 109 37.8%

  • 25-50%

    Votes: 41 14.2%

  • 50-75%

    Votes: 6 2.1%

  • 75-100%

    Votes: 4 1.4%

  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 17 5.9%
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