quiteIt’s incredible that some are just waking up…
At 10.29 pm its more like time to go to sleep
quiteIt’s incredible that some are just waking up…
Never trust a politicians promise to anybody!!!!!Never trust a conservative promise to a farmer!!
Nah, if you can survive 5 years without then you are proving to government that you don’t need them ….I bet we have heddage payments back in 5 years
How many subsidiaries rely on that 2.5 billion. A lot more than the number of farmers I would betNah, if you can survive 5 years without then you are proving to government that you don’t need them ….
that was the case in NZ from what has been said on hereHow many subsidiaries rely on that 2.5 billion. A lot more than the number of farmers I would bet
We've all received BPS whilst selling food for the cost of production. BPS has plugged the gap to leave a small profit.
My concern is governments will still want food supplied at a low price, but no BPS.
Afraid I haven't got an answer to the OP. I imagine many farmers haven't got an answer. We could all open our own farm shops, trying to get the full retail value, but the market would soon be over saturated, and most consumers will still buy from Tesco and ASDA, with a trend to prefer ALDI because it's even cheaper.
I don't disagree with your comments there Hindsight. You make a fair point.I follow your logic in terms of a conversation with fellow like minded farmers on here G&G but what has it to do with government? I mean by that you infer government is going to command you as a farmer and businessman to produce food irrespective of the financials until you go bankrupt. But that is not the case. Government does not control your actions nor what you do (Ok you will fire back with comments about regulation/RT etc, etc) But it is every farmers choice to produce a crop or animal.
In the governments own document 'Health and Harmony' from 2018 the government stated it expected restructuring of the industry and that the market would pay to replace the reduced direct BPS payment as that pot of case moved to pay for 'public goods' and not subsidize food production. What the future for food production holds will depend on the retailers sourcing policy and government trade deals with other countries - well a combination of the two actually. As that will affect farm gate pricing.
I am interested in this thread G&G as I am 'hanger on' in the industry so intrigued by individuals replies and response. I am slightly surprised by the extent of the negativity to ELMS/SFI but I suppose it is still a new concept.
Cheers.
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At 10.29 pm its more like time to go to sleep
Doesn't matter if we've had since 23rd June 1916 to prepare, what exactly is this preparation you talk of for us in the hills? Do we tell our customers we need more for our stock or tell our suppliers we need their products for less. Other than farming sheep and tourists our options are very limited. Hate the term "farm diversification" no other industry has to diversify into another to make ends meet, to me this isn't preparing for end of bps this would be starting a new businessYou’ve had since 23rd June 2016 to prepare ….. Some of us began many years previously after the supermarkets got involved in plastic extended life (Cravendale) milk distribution….
Couldn’t agree more about diversification, I’m not against it but why prop up the farm, might as well just stop farming and run the diversification.Doesn't matter if we've had since 23rd June 1916 to prepare, what exactly is this preparation you talk of for us in the hills? Do we tell our customers we need more for our stock or tell our suppliers we need their products for less. Other than farming sheep and tourists our options are very limited. Hate the term "farm diversification" no other industry has to diversify into another to make ends meet, to me this isn't preparing for end of bps this would be starting a new business
sometimes the two can go hand in handCouldn’t agree more about diversification, I’m not against it but why prop up the farm, might as well just stop farming and run the diversification.
How many subsidiaries rely on that 2.5 billion. A lot more than the number of farmers I would bet
Madness, plenty of very productive arable ground in the NE and easter Ross. If JD pull out, watch someone else move in.I’m just quoting the John Deere national manager he obviously thinks that we are out in the back of beyond up here.
Don't worry, buy a British brand.Madness, plenty of very productive arable ground in the NE and easter Ross. If JD pull out, watch someone else move in.
Never prop up a food producing farm with Diversification.. using diversification of any kind to pay the rent to live in your house is an entirely different proposal. If food production is paying you less than minimum wage per hour on average then you need to diversify out of food production..Couldn’t agree more about diversification, I’m not against it but why prop up the farm, might as well just stop farming and run the diversification.
I wonder what % of UK food is produced by hobbiests?Never had the sub so won't miss it. But margins on a low-input sheep system are pretty low, if I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't do it, if I didn't have a day job I definitely wouldn't do it.
I think therein lies the answer; if you want to farm, find alternative sources of income. If you don't, get out.