Wales 20mph speed limit in every town
- Thread starter bobk
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I think in the UK there are about 70 deaths a year from people doing DIY, maybe we should also ban DIY!
Lincs Lass
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- north lincs
What would happen if everybody just ignored the 20 limit and carried on at 30 .
Plod cant be everywhere and they couldnt issue that many tickets every day if the whole country stuck to 30 all the time .
Eventually Dipstick get the message.
Plod cant be everywhere and they couldnt issue that many tickets every day if the whole country stuck to 30 all the time .
Eventually Dipstick get the message.
Y Fan Wen
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- N W Snowdonia
When the 1997 referendum was approaching and being discussed I would ask supporters of a welsh assembly, 'Do you want to be ruled by a permanent South Wales Labour government?'
'Of course not, we will have a welsh national government.'
Time shows I was right.
'Of course not, we will have a welsh national government.'
Time shows I was right.
At the end of the day the Welsh assembly doesn't know the rest of Wales exists outside Cardiff, perhaps 20mph would work in Cardiff on the city roads but everywhere else 20mph is totally impractical, except outside schools.
Might be better if the assembly was shut down and control returned to London. They Couldn't fu@k up everything as the assembly has done, or could they.
Might be better if the assembly was shut down and control returned to London. They Couldn't fu@k up everything as the assembly has done, or could they.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Cardiff is actually reasonably pedestrian friendly and also pretty good to drive through. Much better than Swansea in my recent experience.At the end of the day the Welsh assembly doesn't know the rest of Wales exists outside Cardiff, perhaps 20mph would work in Cardiff on the city roads but everywhere else 20mph is totally impractical, except outside schools.
Might be better if the assembly was shut down and control returned to London. They Couldn't fu@k up everything as the assembly has done, or could they.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Some statistics from 2022.
There were 376 pedestrian deaths in Great Britain [presumably including Northern Ireland] in 2022. 75% of all casualties were male.
3% were under 16. So that means 11 in total.
All reported casualties/injuries were down 11% compared to 2019 and 31% down on 2012.
All this through progress in road and car design. Despite the rise in cycling and jogging with ear buds blocking one of their main senses essential for self preservation.
There were 376 pedestrian deaths in Great Britain [presumably including Northern Ireland] in 2022. 75% of all casualties were male.
3% were under 16. So that means 11 in total.
All reported casualties/injuries were down 11% compared to 2019 and 31% down on 2012.
All this through progress in road and car design. Despite the rise in cycling and jogging with ear buds blocking one of their main senses essential for self preservation.
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- South Wales UK
Though can't function without hand outs from central Government at present let alone with more MS members.At the end of the day the Welsh assembly doesn't know the rest of Wales exists outside Cardiff, perhaps 20mph would work in Cardiff on the city roads but everywhere else 20mph is totally impractical, except outside schools.
Might be better if the assembly was shut down and control returned to London. They Couldn't fu@k up everything as the assembly has done, or could they.
Devolved nation, devolved nothing more like it, just detrimental nightmare to Wales and its residents more like it.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
The only advantages being free prescriptions and parking at hospitals, if you can find a place and actually get admitted to hospital before you snuff it. You’d be hard pressed to find any other or significant advantage to anyone outside Cardiff.
SilliamWhale
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Some aspects of devolution have been good. Increasing Welsh self confidence and a feeling of being slightly closer to the political action.
But alas with Labour in charge the navel gazing and lack of innovation means as a country we are not progressing as we could
SilliamWhale
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I don't want a free prescription. Last time I went to the doctor I paid as the free one was inaccessible. Best thing I did. £175 and I saw who I needed relatively quickly and sorted out/reassured quickly. I have to say having never thought about it before private healthcare insurance seems a good idea
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Not saying you did, but you’ve got it anyway. Is the Welsh health service devolved? I’ve a feeling that it’s not.
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- South Wales UK
Baroness of Ely.
Welsh health minister rejects calls to resign as North Wales health board placed in special measures
The Welsh government's health minister, Eluned Morgan, has dismissed opposition calls to resign, telling Sky News that the health board has to "take responsibility".
news.sky.com
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- Devon
The maths is quite simple. It takes 50% longer to travel at a constant 20mph compared to 30mph.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
That isn’t logical unless you ignore the speed limits. Travel for an hour [could be just a part of a much longer journey] at 20mph and and hour at 30mph and you will find that you have travelled 10 miles further at the higher speed in the same timespan.
If your journey has a fair proportion of 20mph speed limits it will certainly lower your average speed. However that isn’t really the point, which is that it is a frustratingly and unnaturally and unwarranted slow speed in most of the newly restricted areas. 30 was fine in the overwhelming majority of them and in some of those 40 was fine until recently. There will be no difference to pedestrian safety around here whatsoever because there has been no pedestrian accidents let alone deaths in decades. The last serious one was in Llanon when a blind drunk girl decided to sleep/pass out in dark clothes in the middle of the unlit trunk road after midnight and got run over. I believe she survived. I do remember a secondary school child running out from the back of a bus when I was at school over 50 years ago but that was in a 60mph limit area and the driver was doing nothing like that speed. More recently but again over a decade ago a local and drunk young farmer did the same and got hit by a car passing the stationary bus. He was hurt quite badly but is fine now. It certainly knocked the wind from his sails for a year or more.
There is such a thing as personal responsibility of course and all of these were due to the carelessness of the pedestrians. None were killed and this is over a radius of about ten miles around me. I’m sure they were reflected in the statistics for their time. Some statistics I have quoted in a post to be found above, posted this evening.
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Time spent waiting at traffic lights and roundabouts knocks down average speeds. Average speed in London is supposedly around 10mph and nationally only a bit over 20mph. So when considering journey times, it's the junctions and number of other cars which impact more than maximum allowable speed.