The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.

essex man

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yes and no - all co2 in the atmosphere traps heat, but only co2 released from fossil fuels and other non renewable sources contributes to the elevated levels of co2 that have led to climatic changes
If there are more people then human emissions are higher than previously.
There is no proof of your claims nor anything to fear from climate change, the climate has always been changing.
Co2 has been much higher than currently.
The planet has been much warmer.
A warmer world is beneficial to plants and humans as are increased co2 levels
 

Daddy Pig

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My understanding is that it is related to the weight of the carbon burnt. They know the weight of the product burned (ie coal) and the carbon content, so they can ascertain the carbon dioxide emitted.
Edit: And as HatsOff says, it does have a weight, everything does.
Does helium have a weight ?
 

HatsOff

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Are mass and weight not two very different things?
Not really. Matter has an unchanging mass which results in a varying force (weight) depending on the strength of gravity where the mass is located.

Practically this means on earth they can be used interchangeably unless you are a scientist or engineer.
 

Mouser

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Not really. Matter has an unchanging mass which results in a varying force (weight) depending on the strength of gravity where the mass is located.

Practically this means on earth they can be used interchangeably unless you are a scientist or engineer.
Equally, practically, helium gas has no force acting towards centre of earth (weight)
 

Daddy Pig

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Not really. Matter has an unchanging mass which results in a varying force (weight) depending on the strength of gravity where the mass is located.

Practically this means on earth they can be used interchangeably unless you are a scientist or engineer.
Sorry you have lost me there, clouds for instance have a constantly changing mass but are never referred to by weight.
 

HatsOff

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Equally, practically, helium gas has no force acting towards centre of earth (weight)
Yes it does - the helium is floating up to the top of the atmosphere because it's lighter than the air. But the helium still has a mass/weight and is attracted to the earth and vice versa. Engineering toolbox says it has a density of 1 to 3 N/m^3, depending on temperature. N being newtons, the unit for weight.
Sorry you have lost me there, clouds for instance have a constantly changing mass but are never referred to by weight.
OK - that doesn't alter what I said. Kilograms is a unit of mass, Newtons a measure of force. But on/near earth the conversion is very nearly identical in all locations. 1 kg = 9.81 Newtons. Mass is technically correct which is why scientists and engineers differentiate but there's no real practical difference when on earth.

Regardless, all matter has mass and when subject to gravity (pretty much inescapable in the universe) then it has a weight.
 

Daddy Pig

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Yes it does - the helium is floating up to the top of the atmosphere because it's lighter than the air. But the helium still has a mass/weight and is attracted to the earth and vice versa. Engineering toolbox says it has a density of 1 to 3 N/m^3, depending on temperature. N being newtons, the unit for weight.

OK - that doesn't alter what I said. Kilograms is a unit of mass, Newtons a measure of force. But on/near earth the conversion is very nearly identical in all locations. 1 kg = 9.81 Newtons. Mass is technically correct which is why scientists and engineers differentiate but there's no real practical difference when on earth.

Regardless, all matter has mass and when subject to gravity (pretty much inescapable in the universe) then it has a weight.
Getting way to complicated for me now.
 

soapsud

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I still cant understand how a 1000 litres of Diesel which weighs less than a tonne can be responsible for 2639 kgs of CO2, what would even be the volume of 2639 kgs of CO2 ?
No idea. But I do know one cubic meter of water is one metric tonne and diesel is over 100kg less.

Wheres the figure from?
 

010101

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I still cant understand how a 1000 litres of Diesel which weighs less than a tonne can be responsible for 2639 kgs of CO2, what would even be the volume of 2639 kgs of CO2 ?
The oxygen in the carbon dioxide is additionally taken from the atmosphere when the hydrocarbon (diesel) is burnt.
It is interesting that you mention clouds, because it is obvious how badly infra-red energy passes through water vapour in comparison to a clear sky. The energy would be absorbed by the water vapour molecules. Since the clouds stay in the atmosphere their contribution to atmospheric temperature is strangely never discussed alongside CO2.
 
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HatsOff

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I haven't even started on Higgs bosons and gravitational potential...
I still cant understand how a 1000 litres of Diesel which weighs less than a tonne can be responsible for 2639 kgs of CO2, what would even be the volume of 2639 kgs of CO2 ?
The average diesel molecule is C12H23 (ranging from C10H20 to C15H28), so carbon atoms makes up 90% of the weight of diesel. When combined with two atoms of oxygen, which have atomic masses of 16 vs 12 for carbon, then you get:

Density of diesel - 0.85kg/l

1000 litre = 850kg
90% of which carbon = 765kg

765 + 2 x 765 x (16/12) = 765 + 2040 = 2805 kg of carbon dioxide.

Obviously a bit rough and ready but similar to the value you'd read elsewhere.
 

Bald Rick

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Oatly… that “milk” made from oats are trying to play the climate card too in todays Times with a double page advert …

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