- Location
- north Wales
"I'm labour I'll always vote Labour" as they watch everything falling apart....
Are you planning to jump ship?
- Thread starter beardface
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- Location
- north Wales
I dunno, do you have 20mph speed limits,minimum alcohol pricing, longer NHS waiting lists than wakes, the whole country a NVZ against NRW recommendations, 10% tree planting to receive any sort of government funding( which no one can tell you the budget yet) to appease Bangladeshi taxi drivers apparently
- Location
- north Wales
Is all of Scotland NVZ? Are you all having to plant 10% of your land with trees? If not it starts to sound more attractive
These are the results of bad policy, let’s hope the new government can over turn some of these crack pot ideas. 10% of anyone farm as trees is going to be a hard no, the fact they don’t see that is why we are in a mess when it comes to policies.I dunno, do you have 20mph speed limits,minimum alcohol pricing, longer NHS waiting lists than wakes, the whole country a NVZ against NRW recommendations, 10% tree planting to receive any sort of government funding( which no one can tell you the budget yet) to appease Bangladeshi taxi drivers apparently
Growing trees will fix nothing only cutting the worlds addiction to fossil fuels will. What they should have said we will instal free solar on all your buildings for which we will pay you. Or we will pay you £800/ac to put solar on some of your least productive land, how much do you wish to include in the solar scheme?
the carbon savings from solar will our strip trees ability to save the planet, On the same area.because they directly replace power generated by fossil fuels.
DeeGee
Member
- Location
- North East Wales
Oh! Why ever didn’t you call in Balders!?
It would have been lovely to see you!
Luckily I was out at the time, but our CCTV would have captured the moment.
But I jest Balders; if you are ever in the area it would be good to see you.
spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
- Location
- somerset
whatever we say, or guv promises, there's one important factor we should all take heed off.
any guv is desperate to keep the cost of food, as cheap as it possibly can, they need money spent on taxable goods, to increase funds into the treasury.
all of any help is currently on efficiency or environment, and politicians are quite happy on that.
its what happens if, war, weather etc, stops/slows imports down, is where the danger for them lies. Probably quite good for farming though.
any guv is desperate to keep the cost of food, as cheap as it possibly can, they need money spent on taxable goods, to increase funds into the treasury.
all of any help is currently on efficiency or environment, and politicians are quite happy on that.
its what happens if, war, weather etc, stops/slows imports down, is where the danger for them lies. Probably quite good for farming though.
TelesnaAg
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- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
I would agree farming doesn’t stack up from a pure value and business point of view which is something the governments of the world miss.
It’s not that you cannot make money but, you cannot make it stack from scratch, buy the land buy equipment you need farm the land, it only remotely works for high intensity setups, so small area of land relatively small amount of equipment needed, and ideally direct to consumer sales.
go to a bank manger to grow arable crops on 100ha and only have a 10% deposited for the estimated cost of setup, they would not make that case for the loan. Even renting the land to cut setup cost. Even if by some miracle it stacked up you would just be working for the bank your living would be a distant dream. So at a guess having a second income.
this is why I hate this diversification push, it’s almost saying we know there is no money in farming so just get a second job and carry on with the cheap food, turn a blind eye to the lack of sensible income from the farming side.
Because you will have your top up income from your diversification.
Oliveau
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- Location
- Indre et Loire, France
Always comes down to the same thing:
”I’m fed up - I ought to get out.”
”Well, why don’t you?”
”’Cos I don’t know anything else.”
”I’m fed up - I ought to get out.”
”Well, why don’t you?”
”’Cos I don’t know anything else.”
- Location
- Lincolnshire
No, more the case of extricating ones self from a web-like situation. There's more to consider than just locking the door and heading off, even though I often feel that would be the best solution.
Devil's advocate
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- Location
- Posh side of Barnsley
why
Just so, I was very tempted to put my whole farm down to an SFI option and say stuff it, and let the next 3 years play out, the problem is that’s not want I want to do, I want to farm and produce food to make money but yes also contribute to our country. So I put just my more difficult land in and said that takes care of that, it’s fixed return will match what it looks like it will make, at todays crop prices, so what I would get from it, anything up-to a 3 tonne crop on those fields. And that land struggles to guarantee that 3T crop every year.
can I make windfall profits from it now no, but neither Can I makes loses.
My better land can average above 3T more easily so It makes more sense to farm it, unless farming takes a nose dive.
So while the SFI is a poor replacement to BPS when it comes to productivity of our industry, and strips out support for farming. It maybe usefully to give the government a shock with.
If 30% of land fell off the farming productive treadmill and it tightened UK suppliers of crops the net benifit could be an uptick in crop prices, so that 70% that still actively farmed actually pays us more.
@Clive has said this a number of times, or something similar.
I would also think it’s a good idea that the new green Red tractor guff is rejected now by every member.
my suggestion is a rejection email template of the red tractor, green option is made rejecting its addition to the scheme, so a single format email, so all you do is add your RT membership number and name saying you opt out now from the green scheme.
Pre empt it’s start.
The email has multiple receivers.
1 Red tractor
2 the BFU
3 the NFU.
4 defra.
this send a fast clear message get the email into the press and in farming circles.
So we get a big response from farmers.
It’s doesn’t require them to drop RT just reject the green package option.
The upside is the BFU can see how many have sent the email to Red tractor and get a read of how unpopular this is, and our worry it has zero chance to stay optional which is what they said about. Red tractor at the start.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
3 years sfi would mean I could dump a lot of costs - RT, sprayer ticket, agronomist, large insurance drop, accountancy fees etc
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
You miss his pointWhy do you need to get it in a ‘tidy row’? We walked a farm last week that still had old dry cow tubes on the milking parlour floor (they stopped milking in 2009) and the yard littered with sh*t and silage wrap. They were still asking good money for it though.
Maybe the key to a good sale is to make any viewers think they can improve it, rather than presenting the place in good order?
“A tidy row” is a saying for getting things in order, not necessarity all “tidy”
When i was forced out of my secure tenancy at short notice by the govt, i was beset by liars and backstabbers on all sides , govt being the biggest one which
made “ getting things in a tidy row “ all but impossible.
However the farm was left spotless.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
A big part of the tidy row has been Mrs teslacoils being on-board. She earns the dosh, so Ultimately I rely on her good grace.
TelesnaAg
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- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
In oz its 30 to 50% deposit, cash or equity, plus stamp duty which is significant.
Then you need gear or livestock plus operating capital.
The only young ones i see getting in are ones who have parental help in some form.
Then over here no subs, you on your own.
It is nigh on impossible, some manage
.Ant....
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Whats cost of 500 ac in ur areaIn oz its 30 to 50% deposit, cash or equity, plus stamp duty which is significant.
Then you need gear or livestock plus operating capital.
The only young ones i see getting in are ones who have parental help in some form.
Then over here no subs, you on your own.
It is nigh on impossible, some manage
Ant....
Is that a living?
TelesnaAg
Member
- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
4.5 million dependent on infrastructure but that would middle ground, if a neighbour wants it add a mil. Aud $$$ half it for sterling.
Ant...
- Location
- somerset
l look at it like this, l have to sort siblings out, one chunk of cash.
l could sell the farm, taxman will have a big chunk, unless l roll it over, couldn't really beat where we are.
at 68, l am somewhat time limited, then the taxman has another big chunk.
however, if l keep farming, under the present rules, farm free of IHT.
it doesn't pay me to sell.