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- Northumberland
Jam tomorrow?
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no one will say ……… which is more than suspicious imo
also no one will provide any historical records of results for boats coming in …… again suspicious
there is also the global gap system that european wheat can come in under which as far as anyone can determine region more than the mills own tests which could be as little as moisture / bushel wt !
AHDB C& O have been asked about it getting answers on all this but i think the first meeting g done of us had with them was 3 yrs ago now and we are still none the wiser
Doubt any is tested , after all they can't send it back
you don’t see rejected boats do you ! imagine the cost of turning a boat around
whatever the tests maybe they can’t be much as surely a % would fail. - seems they can make whatever work !
- Location
- Somerset UK
Maybe because they know no worthwhile tests are done, or it will mean the end of
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- Northumberland
So what happens if a boatload tests high for mycotoxin or something? Mix it away with FA stuff til it’s down to acceptable levels (while forcing a price penalty on the vendor of the boatload)?
You can see why they won’t want to lose those options!
You can see why they won’t want to lose those options!
Boat results coming in and out are tested for the same as ours, kg/hl, moisture, protein, admix, these results are kept for 3 months. I don't know if imported is tested for anything else like pesticide residues, I believe someone has to sign it off as being produced for human consumption or similar. That however is likely nothing more than a signature (or key stroke nowadays) that leads back to nowhere.
Perhaps we can get some of the resident merchants to comment on this?
Perhaps we can get some of the resident merchants to comment on this?
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- East Yorkshire
imagine they found some mice crap in the first load off a boat. how would they find out which farmer that was in a 60kt boat. that would be some claim for redirection and cleaning
I asked for quotes from a testing lab, initially they quoted £700.
But when I said it needed to be valid for international trade they said that they would need to use different test methods to comply with those standards and quoted in the region of £1000. I think a little under half of that cost was for the dioxin test alone.
That would have been early 2022 I got those quotes.
But when I said it needed to be valid for international trade they said that they would need to use different test methods to comply with those standards and quoted in the region of £1000. I think a little under half of that cost was for the dioxin test alone.
That would have been early 2022 I got those quotes.
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- Northumberland
Hard to imagine they ever bother looking, if the consequences of finding would be too difficult!
- Location
- Essex
What development is there to do on this Ollie?
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Explaining the import process complete with a video of the import process from a farm in say Canada to a four mill in the UK would seem an ideal education project for the Marketing department of the AHDB. Or possibly ADM or one of the other flour millers Probably be about 15 to 30 minutes long. Is there such a video available? I must say have never looked but will do a search. Seems there is a video of most things these days. From the quite elementary questions raised in this thread in recent posts there does seem a requirement and a useful spend of AHDB levy money.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Should have looked first - here is link. Haven't read it yet as have to go off to look at awful slug infested wheat.
How grain is imported into the UK | AHDB
Find out about assurance schemes and combinable crop imports.
ahdb.org.uk
if mills don’t accept it however it will make no difference - if getting them to accept it means unity from farmers then that unity could be used to only deliver on doing no more than the statutory legal min required ……. no role for RT at all then
if RT want to save their bacon and remain relevant with this they need to be getting AIC to accept and tell mills they will accept a more basic scheme that just assures statutory standards are met , nothing more
if you look at the (very basic) NI farm assurance standard that AIC do already accept and therefore mills will take the precedent is there
in fact a meeting myself and @Grass And Grain had with AIC a year ago they said they would accept a UK version of the NI basic scheme if we wanted to start one so we know for sure this can be done and it’s a very simple copy and paste exercise really
maybe highlight the above to your red tractor boards Olly ? i’m happy to speak with them on this as i’m sure @Grass And Grain would be as we have already investigated and found a path here that someone with the right resources could follow
i think everyone wants to find a solution to this now
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- Darlington
Are rt now getting rattled because the people they are sucking easy money for nothing from, are starting to see the light.?
Grass and grain why not ask food standards agency and local authority near mill for freedom of information tests done on imported grain they should have some in idea of what the tests are if not they want asking to get the information.
Humble village farmer ,is that something that has been sujested in the past?
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- Limousin, France
OK let's face it, it's we have to keep our jobs. If 1 scheme goes we have to have another.
Simple as. All tests should be 1 and the same, no ifs no buts.
Simple as. All tests should be 1 and the same, no ifs no buts.
From talking to a friend who has some involvement in trading grain internationally this is my understanding.
As a boat is loaded a sample is taken at least every 200t. So for a 60,000t vessel that’s 300 samples.
A sub-sample is then drawn from each of the 300 samples and mixed together and sent off for testing. (It was indicated that it might not be unheard of for samples to be sent to several different labs and the most favorable set of results cherry picked.)
Tests include, dioxins, pesticide residues, PCBs, PAHs Heavy metals and mycotoxins for cereals. And all of the above plus salmonella for oilseeds.
A copy of those results are sent to the end user when they purchase a tonnage from that vessel. It is then up to the end user to decide what level of testing they wish to undertake at their intake.
they lost AHDB (financial) support 18 months ago when we highlighted and asked why 240k pa of levy payers cash was being paid to them
it’s clear they have lost NFU support at council and boards level (although i still think nfu leaders are onside with them !)
they are certainly running low on friends !
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