Number of tractors

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
Thanks everyday is a school day . How many of them do you need to make is that a vintage baler can you use a bale sledge and a grab to gather them up .?
We make about 600 a year. Bit laborious because pitch forks are the only way to collect them. We have a couple of old flat trailers which reduce the need to rehandle them.
There's a bit of work involved but there's nothing as good for insulation or taking moisture out of potato heaps than straw IMG_20230820_145218117.jpgHere's said Renault on the mower back in summer
 
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daveydiesel1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
How many drivers and yearly hours

Extra tractors are good to a point you always need some type of backup, but I think you can have too many as well. Everything with an engine needs some type of servicing, spreading that over the total hours worked perhaps isn't too bad but you can get to the stage where you are spending a lot just to have something do 40 or 50 hours a year.

I think you have it about right @Spud and agree you don't want a workforce that says, 'I'm not doing that, it's not my tractor'.
3 drivers, wev 2 yards which means a need for some more kit aswel, theres probably 6 main workin tractors in that cant be done without, another couple 1 thats just a runabout with linkbox and cattle trailer other sits on hedgecutter all winter, the rest is vintage and doesnt do much
 
I sometimes have to shake my head in disbelief at how I’ve gone from 3 tractors to 7 plus 2 manitous.
First additional tractor was a MF6245 2wd to go on the straw chopper, before that I used my main tractor on it most of the time but at busy times would either be unhooking daily to use it or using the loader tractor to both load and drive it, neither option ideal .
A change of dairy and handling set up meant a scraper tractor was needed, up until then we had auto scrapers right up to the back of the old parlour and anything else wr had managed fine with the loader bucket but that wasn’t at all suitaowith the new set up so bought a MF410 for scraper duties.
Next came a manitou, loader tractor was clocking up the hours and as it’s essential on a livestock farm it was time to think about changing it, it was cheaper to buy a second hand manitou and keep the tractor and loader.

The next series of deals got a bit complicated, with the manitou now doing the loader work I looked again at changing the loader tractor, but the one job the loader tractor does do daily in winter is bed the cubicowith a sawdust dispenser. I had found a good second hand MF5613 at the local dealers but it had no loader so I bought a rear linkage kit and a 30 year old MF3060 to do that job from a dealer from away with the intention of selling the loader tractor. Only had the 3060 a couple of days and there were some issues with it, dealer from away was excellent, they fetched it back to sort the issues out……..but the night they fetched it back I was browsing their website again and they’d just got an e very low houred 5613 in for not a lot more than the one I was intending to buy but hadn’t done a deal on at the local dealers, so had a word with the dealer from away and traded the 3060 straight back against their 5613. Dimensions and power wise it was just what I wanted but I couldn’t take to the cab layout or gearbox so after a lot of searching I traded it in for a Case MX 150, the first non MF tractor we’d Bought in 40 years. So in next to no tine I’d gone from buying a 30 year old extra small tractor to a 4 month old tractor as equal biggest alongside my 7480.
Then came another manitou, again clocking hours up and essential on a daily basis, although fairly reliable, should I change it? The rough figures were I could buy another one the same, a couple of years newer than the other with less hours for about 40k less than buying a new one, although older machines do have occasional issues, I will probably reach retirement before I spend 40k on repairs, and there was no absolute guarantee of reliability or no repairs with a new one.
The latest addition has been a Valtra N154, it really should have been a replacement for my 6270 but I couldn’t bare to part with her, I have now accepted the reality that my 3 remaining MF 6200 series are working classics and that one day……….if I live long enough to retire in some shape or form I would like to restore them to as new as possible/funds will allow.

Nothing is clocking too many hours now so shouldn’t need replacing for an awful long time………unless I get the itch……and if one gives issues there’s always another to stand in as replacement at the drop of a hat, apart from the 410 on the scraper……..with its obsolete front stub axles at 17 years old as I found out 😡but we did find a solution to that in the end.

Having plenty of spare capacity does have its benefits, a lot less hooking and unhooking of implements, especially when you know yore going to be using that machine again in the not too distant future, as well as having a back up on hand in a breakdown.

I guess the alternative would be two main tractors, a scraper tractor and a handler but I’d want/need to keep 3 of them fairly new, I’m pretty sure that would cost me more and with the oldest being the 6270, it’s far from an unpleasant place to be, she’s still my favourite, just a shame I didn’t stump up the extra £1000 for closed center hydraulics when she was news’s she’s a bit slow tipping an 18 ton trailer but sounds great pulling it
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
I sometimes have to shake my head in disbelief at how I’ve gone from 3 tractors to 7 plus 2 manitous.
First additional tractor was a MF6245 2wd to go on the straw chopper, before that I used my main tractor on it most of the time but at busy times would either be unhooking daily to use it or using the loader tractor to both load and drive it, neither option ideal .
A change of dairy and handling set up meant a scraper tractor was needed, up until then we had auto scrapers right up to the back of the old parlour and anything else wr had managed fine with the loader bucket but that wasn’t at all suitaowith the new set up so bought a MF410 for scraper duties.
Next came a manitou, loader tractor was clocking up the hours and as it’s essential on a livestock farm it was time to think about changing it, it was cheaper to buy a second hand manitou and keep the tractor and loader.

The next series of deals got a bit complicated, with the manitou now doing the loader work I looked again at changing the loader tractor, but the one job the loader tractor does do daily in winter is bed the cubicowith a sawdust dispenser. I had found a good second hand MF5613 at the local dealers but it had no loader so I bought a rear linkage kit and a 30 year old MF3060 to do that job from a dealer from away with the intention of selling the loader tractor. Only had the 3060 a couple of days and there were some issues with it, dealer from away was excellent, they fetched it back to sort the issues out……..but the night they fetched it back I was browsing their website again and they’d just got an e very low houred 5613 in for not a lot more than the one I was intending to buy but hadn’t done a deal on at the local dealers, so had a word with the dealer from away and traded the 3060 straight back against their 5613. Dimensions and power wise it was just what I wanted but I couldn’t take to the cab layout or gearbox so after a lot of searching I traded it in for a Case MX 150, the first non MF tractor we’d Bought in 40 years. So in next to no tine I’d gone from buying a 30 year old extra small tractor to a 4 month old tractor as equal biggest alongside my 7480.
Then came another manitou, again clocking hours up and essential on a daily basis, although fairly reliable, should I change it? The rough figures were I could buy another one the same, a couple of years newer than the other with less hours for about 40k less than buying a new one, although older machines do have occasional issues, I will probably reach retirement before I spend 40k on repairs, and there was no absolute guarantee of reliability or no repairs with a new one.
The latest addition has been a Valtra N154, it really should have been a replacement for my 6270 but I couldn’t bare to part with her, I have now accepted the reality that my 3 remaining MF 6200 series are working classics and that one day……….if I live long enough to retire in some shape or form I would like to restore them to as new as possible/funds will allow.

Nothing is clocking too many hours now so shouldn’t need replacing for an awful long time………unless I get the itch……and if one gives issues there’s always another to stand in as replacement at the drop of a hat, apart from the 410 on the scraper……..with its obsolete front stub axles at 17 years old as I found out 😡but we did find a solution to that in the end.

Having plenty of spare capacity does have its benefits, a lot less hooking and unhooking of implements, especially when you know yore going to be using that machine again in the not too distant future, as well as having a back up on hand in a breakdown.

I guess the alternative would be two main tractors, a scraper tractor and a handler but I’d want/need to keep 3 of them fairly new, I’m pretty sure that would cost me more and with the oldest being the 6270, it’s far from an unpleasant place to be, she’s still my favourite, just a shame I didn’t stump up the extra £1000 for closed center hydraulics when she was news’s she’s a bit slow tipping an 18 ton trailer but sounds great pulling it
I'm glad there's someone out there with a love for the 62 series fergies.
Still have the odd bad dream about the 6265 I drove for a while :eek: ;)

Amazing how much gear you can end up needing on a dairy farm
 

nick...

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
My tractors do sod all nowdays and the combination of kubota 2201/2210,super dexta,Deere 6620/7710 and my jcb telehandler probably do less than 100 hours a year between them now I’m only growing bird feed and legumes.only done about 250 hours when growing cereals.biggest hassle is starting them once a month and moving them about.
nick…
 

flinty123

Member
Mixed Farmer
Stick to around 10 here, most wouldn't get 100 hours a year. Tractor on the slurry tanker would see 250 or so. We like to have a bit of redundancy, and like to run older gear. I'm sure someone could do the same work with 2-3 newer tractors without any trouble.
Doubt it, the newer ones are always having emissions related issues
 

nxy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Had to count them in my head and shocked to find we have 11 tractors on the farm now. 3 are classics of which only one is used on a pto driven hammer mill that smashes beans. The rest work regularly but none of them would do more than 400 hours a year.
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
Got 6 here. 2 main ones will do around 1100hrs per year, 4 2nd division ones between 600 and 1000hrs.

If we were just cereals I think 2 main, one back up and a contractor/hire. Spring is our pinch point with carrot harvest swallowing up 4 or 5 depending on distance from field to loading. Ideally get it close enough for 1 one on trailers and the other 2 go planting potatoes/sowing.

Oldest 3 are NH, 2 very late TMs and a non adblue T7. For the hours they are doing and what they cost to run, I don’t see any point in changing them. The ownership costs are less than what the respective hire cost would be to cover the busy spells and way below the cost to change for fresher 2nd hand units. Plus they’ve actually been appreciating in value for the past 5-10years. 🤣. Did splash out on a brand spanking 7000hr T7.210 this year to replace the god awful fastrac though.

Horses for courses I think, where 2 of our grain stores are there’s no 3ph, so one TM will sit on the old crop fan cooling the bulks for a lot of winter. One might sit on row crops on irrigation and potato flail for a lot of summer and then carrot topper over winter, sometimes only used once a week, one goes and carts fert at the docks for winter. They don’t sit idle and keep some hours of the “big” ones.

If one were to do a HP/Ha exercise, we’re high, but it’d be a ballache with half the tractors.
 

Boysground

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
4 tractors here, mostly a dairy farm with a decent lump of cereals. Spread out so a lot of road work. Contractor for silage but we mow the grass and run a couple of trailers. Also contractor for the combine again we do the trailers.

Jd 6250 1200 hours a year 80% of that is on a slurry tanker also cultivations and most of the mowing

Fendt 724 (mostly me as driver) Spraying, fertiliser, drilling are its main jobs. With some changes it’s down to 1000hrs a year

Fendt 716 bought with 9000 hours on it. Will do 900 hours a years. Spends 90% of its time feeding the cows. like to put it on a trailer or cultivator when we can to work the engine a bit more. It currently needs a new steering sensor so gps work is off the list for a while.

Kubota scraper tractor, 55hp hydrostatic i just wish it would get washed a little more often.

2 manitous do 2500 hours between them each year.

Often think we need another tractor, just had a hire for 6 weeks this autumn. still have 150ac wheat to go in but wouldn’t have seen that far in without the extra machine.

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NH 8340 x2
Ford 8200 and pair of 8100's.
Filling tanks with diesel is a monthly event, if that.
Loadall 527 58 does a bit more.
Guess 400 hours a year between all of them.
It's the depreciation that hurts. 🤣
probably all the q fit brackets
you will have more invested in those than some have in a tractor
we are at 16 different things to hook on jcb
11 tractors 2 jcb 4 loaders on tractors
 

PI Stsker

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South West
For this instance we will just talk about my side, the arable side of the farm. 500 acres of arable cropping, running a 2020 6155r Deere, 2019 718 fendt, 1996 Ford 7840 SLE and a 2020 JCB 536/70. Plenty enough for this side doing the arable operations.
 

HarryB97

Member
Mixed Farmer
650 acres here, half grass and half arable. Running a few hundred ewes and 350 cattle. All operations done in house apart from baling, wrapping & combining. 1 Fendt 718. Never had an issue dropping stuff on and off only takes a couple of minutes. Only me on the farm so can only drive one tractor at once. We do have two Merlos as well as the cattle are housed all year round.
 

ford4000

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
north Wales
Always had about 3-4 tractors here, 11 years ago it was 2 ford 5610's a 4600 with a loader and the ford 4000 plus a digger for mucking out ditching etc
Now we've the 4000 which scrapes and feeds bales on 1 farm plus rakes and tedds silage in the summer. It's on the roller mill for a couple of months this time of year
Ford 5610 is on hedgecutter now, will go on straw chopper and wraps silage in the summer. It's not been very reliable last few years.
A massey 5455 with loader did all the other work till I bought a Mf 5713 2 years ago.
Now the 5455 does fert spreading, bit of muckspreading/straw chopper and all the bale moving feeding out, the 5713 does most muckspreading, mowing, topping and round baling. Cut the 5455 yearly hours from 500 to 250 each. 5455 is on 7000 hours, 5713 just on 2000 so they should last me a long time now
 

Nearly

Member
Location
North of York
probably all the q fit brackets
you will have more invested in those than some have in a tractor
we are at 16 different things to hook on jcb
11 tractors 2 jcb 4 loaders on tractors
Just had a tot up, 19 attachments for 3 jcb's two loaders but not currently on tractors
We're about the same as you 2 put together. Running at 10+ buckets on various brackets. Into double figures of adapter plates too, and we're not even the same acreage as your grass margins and sfi sponsored weeds.
 
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