farmerm
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and after multiple different answers have been provided....Eventually there will be a FAQ but not until the questions have been asked.
and after multiple different answers have been provided....Eventually there will be a FAQ but not until the questions have been asked.
FMDAQ sectionand after multiple different answers have been provided....
huh? Frequently mentioned dumb ass questions?FMDAQ section
The bit I find embarrassing is that suitable wedge of cash is offered in lieu of a crop and then public debate ensues about the possibilities to retain the cash crop. I thought the ability to displace a break-even break crop was enough of a sweetener.How is it embarrassing getting an option to stack up, whilst still growing food? Both apparent public goods. It’s making something work in business. What’s actually embarrassing is the way public money is squandered pretty much every where you look in the public domain. I’m not embarrassed trying to make that option fit into my business and benefit my local environment whilst doing so.
Frequent Multiple Different Answered Question.huh? Frequently mentioned dumb ass questions?
The public would be entirely lost on this entire thread.The bit I find embarrassing is that suitable wedge of cash is offered in lieu of a crop and then public debate ensues about the possibilities to retain the cash crop. I thought the ability to displace a break-even break crop was enough of a sweetener.
Cards on table: these ahl2 etc discussions just compound the whole 'SFI is a lot more attractive to arable enterprises' problem. 'Money for something you're already doing' only applies selectively.
^^^thisThe public would be entirely lost on this entire thread.
AHL2 is not offered in lieu of a crop it is to pay for the provision of a wildlife service.
AHL2 doesnt stack up all that great as a break crop.. you have to either follow it with a spring crop, most of which are not worth planting, or do what Clive is proposing but that requires 2 drillings and is fraught with risk if the weather does not cooperate.
Aside from a few token bits for shooting purposes I cant think of anyone who would be getting paid money for AHL2 that they are "already doing"
The public would be entirely lost on this entire thread.
AHL2 is not offered in lieu of a crop it is to pay for the provision of a wildlife service.
AHL2 doesnt stack up all that great as a break crop.. you have to either follow it with a spring crop, most of which are not worth planting, or do what Clive is proposing but that requires 2 drillings and is fraught with risk if the weather does not cooperate.
Aside from a few token bits for shooting purposes I cant think of anyone who would be getting paid money for AHL2 that they are "already doing"
I emailed the RPA and have now had confirmation that you cannot plant crops such as s barley/potatoes/maize in the spring following AHL2 as it is a full year option.
I think this is a real shame as it rules out this option for tens of thousands of hectares imo.
I think the full year is beyond the aims of the 'winter bird food' requirement but that's what they have said.
Im suggesting a spring flowering cash crop such as spring linseed following July planted AHL2. As you have once again pointed out above one of the purposes is to 'encourage' flowering plants in the spring. Id argue that planting AHL2 lets me plant a crop such as Spring linseed and provide summer flowering. If not I’ll just leave the ground on the plough over winter and plant spring barley.
definitely worth asking DEFRA top brass on this.I’ll email and see if I get the same answer. I fear some of the questions I’ve asked have been answered differently by different RPA staff to other farmers. We’re all working with different guidelines in that case with plans that revolve around tens of thousands of pounds. I wouldn’t be entertaining such madness if there wasn’t the need for a break crop.
The gamble is JFDI is you could be ordered to repay 3 years of payments.....definitely worth asking DEFRA top brass on this. Or JFDI and claim ignorance based on the limited criteria reqired.
^^^this
sorry i edited my post. you are correct.The gamble is JFDI is you could be ordered to repay 3 years of payments.....
Trouble is, it doesn't really pay enough money to do it like this, and follow with a crappy spring sown crop (now BPS is gone).I have followed this thread with great interest especially the ingenuity of farmers - shows advisers aren't much cop! As I started out assuming AHL2 was the SFI equivalent of AB9 in CS. And that AB9 had a specific prescription sow in Spring with establishment prior to June 15th and then retain over winter until end of February, I unfortunately keep referring to this comparison.
I have just read this with interest, I Emailed RPA too and asked the same question and got the opposite reply. Not sure what to do now, the whole thing is a mess if the RPA who are running the system cannot even agree the rules between themselves.I emailed the RPA and have now had confirmation that you cannot plant crops such as s barley/potatoes/maize in the spring following AHL2 as it is a full year option.
I think this is a real shame as it rules out this option for tens of thousands of hectares imo.
I think the full year is beyond the aims of the 'winter bird food' requirement but that's what they have said.
Don't know why DEFRA don't stop pissing about, and just pay £1000/ha+ for this option, for a whole season (like AB9 was), so that it benefits the wildlife. The whole thing is trying to be done on the cheap, uptake will be poor, and wildlife and farmers will suffer.Trouble is, it doesn't really pay enough money to do it like this, and follow with a crappy spring sown crop (now BPS is gone).
I have emailed them back to see if it specifically is allowedIn the first quote you’re talking about S Barley/ potatoes/ maize and the 2nd quote you’re talking about linseed. Have they actually ruled out linseed?