You don’t tell people more than you have to to get the results you want. If you want this to go through the last thing you would show a farmer representative is that document especially one representing dairy! You would flannel around with improvements in farm sustainability and improving supply chain sustainability. Both true, but hide the real reason which is passing costs from retailers to producers regarding their voluntary commitment to improve their green wash credentials.
GFC disgrace: Here's what NFU, AHDB and RT have signed us up for
- Thread starter Grass And Grain
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- Location
- Northumberland
Make that 8
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- Yorks
I said it would affect arable people.
They want 50% less requirement for biomass (cereals, crops, grass, etc). Some of that will be from UK farms, and some from imports. This fits in with their aim for 30% of land cover delivering environmental habitat.
They're stitching us up big style.
I can't believe NFU agree with the principle of GFC supporting this WWF/supermarket agreement.
They want 50% less requirement for biomass (cereals, crops, grass, etc). Some of that will be from UK farms, and some from imports. This fits in with their aim for 30% of land cover delivering environmental habitat.
They're stitching us up big style.
I can't believe NFU agree with the principle of GFC supporting this WWF/supermarket agreement.
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
The above is for Glastair and not SFi thou??
SFi just states you have to do your best to get a cover of grass that has seeded for the bird and not graze in the autumn and winter months, no set dates of when it has to be shut up by or when you can graze/ top it etc so should be possible to get two decent cuts or one cut and a few months of grazing, set up mid Aug and graze again mid March for example??
Nothing stating how much seed cover per acre you should have but you must take sensible steps to achieve the aim...
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
But still a long way from £180 ish acre to henarers £330 acre..
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
This could be the hiccup:
Option A) Stick 50% in, rotate it round, produce food on the other 50% and everyone’s happy. WWF get their basket and GFC continues.
Option B) Stick whole lot in, don’t produce any food an attempt to make GFC irrelevant because there is no UK food available to meet the WWF basket needs of eco-produced food. Government then come along and say it’s now a protected habitat that you cannot disturb and they won’t be paying you any more to manage it.
Shows either way it’s a deal with the devil.
Option C) paddle your own canoe and don’t get involved….government may still legislate it anyway and farming is probably unprofitable anyway.
- Location
- Sedgefield
Page 19 of the Report says
“Reduce nitrogen and phosphorus use by at least 80%.”
interesting how they expect us to produce the stuff in their lovely Tesco shopping basket without using very much fertilizer
“Reduce nitrogen and phosphorus use by at least 80%.”
interesting how they expect us to produce the stuff in their lovely Tesco shopping basket without using very much fertilizer
- Location
- Sedgefield
Option C
With the added option of your own and immediate family’s self sufficiency
Get a house cow, a goat, an acre of allotment for your own veggies, plant a fruit orchard, get solar panels and a small turbine, sink a well, learn how to knit hemp shirts. Lol
Last one is farcical…. But I think the time is approaching that the U.K. commercial food system will stall, food producers will stop growing food and all the ancillary industries will collapse ie seed suppliers, machinery dealers, and then it will be nigh impossible to restart again once the Govt realise that they physically can’t import all the food.
I cant understand why anyone is still RT or NFU member anyway??
Writing been on the wall for years that both organisations are only working to end agriculture.
Writing been on the wall for years that both organisations are only working to end agriculture.
- Location
- East Sussex
Agree. I’m beginning to wonder if they like the politicking as much as the organisations we need rid of.
- Location
- Northumberland
Not optional if you sell bulk milk
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Rules obviously vary. ‘Wild bird seed cover’ over here is either given a squirt of glyphosate or cultivated, then DD/drill a mix of spring barley and a bit of mustard, rolled, and shut the gate. Usually on the same strips of land, all of which are the less productive areas and/or square fields off to make life easier.
Pays £600/ha (+ BPS) under Glastir Advanced, or it did. Several years I’ve wished I had half the arable acres in it tbh.
Makes me smile seeing owls hunting over it too.
- Location
- Northumberland
You should have gone to the NFU meeting. 3-0Not going, Learnt years ago sitting in NFU meetings was not the best use of my time.
Tonight Newcastle are on telly so an easy decision
My views will be raised ( Threat of loosing members appears to concentrates minds ) I`m assured & will report on feedback, if any
I like farmingYou also don’t need to go out and plant grass (or whatever mix) on your fields like the arable guys do, so you have lower cost going in.
£330/ha (+ hedges/trees) sounds like a nice little earner for a livestock farmer on pp in England tbh, yet you seem to think you’re hard done by compared to the arable guys?I’d be on it like a rat up a drain pipe.
Ha
- Location
- Exeter, Devon
renewablejohn
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- Location
- lancs
Cannot see the reduction in Biomass unless there thinking of closing Drax.
The thread in which @AHDB responded to questions regarding their livestock levy increase has been locked. I do not know why?
Within it "they" (whomever the AHDB paid to provides answers) insist that they have been calling for a review of assurance schemes prior to this utterly contemptuous debacle which has been uncovered
Someone answering the AHDB thread is either furiously back peddling, or already knew the shyte storm that would ensue when the content of the greening module surfaced
So @AHDB which was it?
Did you know RT and the NFU were selling our livestock industry down a deforested amazon river?
Will you back your livestock levy payers, and publicly call for red tractor to be disbanded?
Would you prefer 5% of your utterly furious levy payers call for a ballot on your future?
Will you publicly condemn the collusion between RT, the supermarkets, and the NFU?
Or were you part of the problem?
It isn’t biomass as fuel for power, it biomass used to supply the food industry, either as stock feed or human consumption. Human consumption of biomass (veg/cereals/pulses) directly is much more efficient than through livestock. But that’s a bit simplistic as humans can’t eat grass, but livestock can. The metric in WWF Basket doesn’t differentiate between the two and just wants all biomass used in the food chain to be halved.
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- Location
- Northumberlandia
Neither if you want to sell cereals ! end of. dunno how many times we have too keep mentioning this,
If someone has the knowhow & power to change whats going on here then get on with it.
- Location
- Somerset
@Grass And Grain how many members has the BFU, compared to the NFU? How much lobbying power does the BFU have? Can you provide some examples of things that the BFU has done that benefit us farmers (not just things that have been said)? Not having a go I’m genuinely curious. If you want the RT board to be BFU people… the BFU I think might need to be bigger and more powerful?