Crew cab pickups to be taxed as cars from July

I don't know the truck Oyke was on about but I've been driving this one recently and I have to tell you that maybe after my 1990s Ford Granada it is the most comfortable long distance cruiser I have ever driven. Not so comfortable is the fuel consumption but then 70p per litre helps!
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kiwi pom

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This tax is on empoyees bottom line wages, not on the purchaser of the vehicle. It does not effect the purchaser/employer at all.. Only empoyees who are supplied with vehicles for work plus pursonal use when not at work. Face it, you haven’t got a clue.
I take it the employees who have these vehicles pay less in tax than it would cost to run their own vehicle or get to work a different way?
Why do it otherwise? Just say, no thanks, I'll just drive it when I get to work, and you can have the hassle of finding somewhere to secure it overnight.
 

PI Stsker

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I take it the employees who have these vehicles pay less in tax than it would cost to run their own vehicle or get to work a different way?
Why do it otherwise? Just say, no thanks, I'll just drive it when I get to work, and you can have the hassle of finding somewhere to secure it overnight.
How does that work for the likes of a regional sales rep? I had the Amazon area salesman out this week in his blingy truck, it’s those sort of people this will hit the most. The sheep farmer using the truck solely for work and not paying any BIK tax currently this won’t affect. It’s the guys like the sales reps running round in pick up trucks as they are classed as a van and get cheap flat rate BIK tax this will catch out as suddenly there flat rate BIk tax on a flashy truck will put them very much out of pocket.
 
How does that work for the likes of a regional sales rep? I had the Amazon area salesman out this week in his blingy truck, it’s those sort of people this will hit the most. The sheep farmer using the truck solely for work and not paying any BIK tax currently this won’t affect. It’s the guys like the sales reps running round in pick up trucks as they are classed as a van and get cheap flat rate BIK tax this will catch out as suddenly there flat rate BIk tax on a flashy truck will put them very much out of pocket.
Well a sales rep doesn't need a 4x4 XXL pickup truck. They are the very people who have abused the system which is now being clamped down penalising the genuine self employed farmer or tradesman.
 

PI Stsker

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Well a sales rep doesn't need a 4x4 XXL pickup truck. They are the very people who have abused the system which is now being clamped down penalising the genuine self employed farmer or tradesman.
Correct. Exactly my point. The tradies wives and salesman have ruined it really for the rest of us, the tax man has realised it’s a massive loop hole being exploited which they now are clamping down on.

I fail to see why anyone on the school run or the salesman need anything more than a VW polo!
 

PI Stsker

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What about those sales reps who need to tow for demo or to deliver machines and have a Tacho fitted to pickup ?
Get a flat bed sprinter van that can deliver and/or tow as much as far as HMRC are concerned.

you know as well as I do ‘needing’ to tow is a get out clause. Salesmen are salesmen, get a van to do the deliveries or use a haulage company.

I suspect the new big thing in the salesman community will be fiesta sized vans to continue with the BIK flat rate commercial tax. I can’t imagine a full size transit would be very cool to be seen in.
 

kiwi pom

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How does that work for the likes of a regional sales rep? I had the Amazon area salesman out this week in his blingy truck, it’s those sort of people this will hit the most. The sheep farmer using the truck solely for work and not paying any BIK tax currently this won’t affect. It’s the guys like the sales reps running round in pick up trucks as they are classed as a van and get cheap flat rate BIK tax this will catch out as suddenly there flat rate BIk tax on a flashy truck will put them very much out of pocket.
I have no idea, the fact that they have to pay this tax must be built back into their salary package, or the personal use part must outweigh the tax?
Supplying a vehicle needed for the job is the employers job.
Well a sales rep doesn't need a 4x4 XXL pickup truck. They are the very people who have abused the system which is now being clamped down penalising the genuine self employed farmer or tradesman.
Does a self-employed farmer or tradie need a double cab?
Unless of course they need to carry more than two people on a regular basis.
Those types don't actually use the ute as the family vehicle do they as it's not available to the rest of the family during the working day 🤷‍♂️
 

Father ted

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Get a flat bed sprinter van that can deliver and/or tow as much as far as HMRC are concerned.

you know as well as I do ‘needing’ to tow is a get out clause. Salesmen are salesmen, get a van to do the deliveries or use a haulage company.

I suspect the new big thing in the salesman community will be fiesta sized vans to continue with the BIK flat rate commercial tax. I can’t imagine a full size transit would be very cool to be seen in.
Sprinter idea for off road work! Why use haulage company's transport isn't cheap these days! but I guess the cost can be passed onto the customer making machinery more expensive .
 

PI Stsker

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I have no idea, the fact that they have to pay this tax must be built back into their salary package, or the personal use part must outweigh the tax?
Supplying a vehicle needed for the job is the employers job.

Does a self-employed farmer or tradie need a double cab?
Unless of course they need to carry more than two people on a regular basis.
Those types don't actually use the ute as the family vehicle do they as it's not available to the rest of the family during the working day 🤷‍♂️
Sorry maybe I didn’t explain properly.
For instance your salary package is £30k, you then get a company car and the BIK is £4k, your salary is then reported as £34k and your tax code adjusted accordingly.
if you have a car on finance it’s normally cheaper to have a company car than it is to drive your own car. Also the benefit of no running costs etc, hence why company cars that are pick ups are so popular as a pick up was classed as a van so had cheap benefit in kind tax. You could get a pick up for cheaper than you could get a VW golf more often than not!
 

PI Stsker

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Sprinter idea for off road work! Why use haulage company's transport isn't cheap these days! but I guess the cost can be passed onto the customer making machinery more expensive .
So your sales rep delivers your cultivator to the middle of a ploughed field with his pick up and ifor does he?
Or are you a sales rep worried about paying more BIK tax / having to be seen in a transit van?
 

Father ted

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So your sales rep delivers your cultivator to the middle of a ploughed field with his pick up and ifor does he?
Or are you a sales rep worried about paying more BIK tax / having to be seen in a transit van?
Delivering machines sprinter would be fine What about demoing machines and not just ag type machines where you may need to go across rough type tracks wet areas as demo site is way off any decent type of roads.
 

PI Stsker

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Delivering machines sprinter would be fine What about demoing machines and not just ag type machines where you may need to go across rough type tracks wet areas as demo site is way off any decent type of roads.
As I’ve already said, in the eyes of HMRC the pick up truck was a loop hole that has now been closed. If you’re desperate for a pick up truck for the purposes you mention I believe that a single cab pick up still gets away with it so you’ll have to get a single cab! (If that won’t hurt your ego too much)
 

Father ted

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As I’ve already said, in the eyes of HMRC the pick up truck was a loop hole that has now been closed. If you’re desperate for a pick up truck for the purposes you mention I believe that a single cab pick up still gets away with it so you’ll have to get a single cab! (If that won’t hurt your ego too much)
Won't hurt my ego one bit I'm self employed drive old Freelander thanks.Just I have a family member who works in sales and we were chatting on phone about this yesterday and I see this thread and thought I would just ask the forum members questions and their views.(which I hadn't know)
 

PI Stsker

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Won't hurt my ego one bit I'm self employed drive old Freelander thanks.Just I have a family member who works in sales and we were chatting on phone about this yesterday and I see this thread and thought I would just ask the forum members questions and their views.(which I hadn't know)
As I said if it’s that important that they are able to tow off road to a demo they either pay the BIK tax on a twin cab pick up or get a single cab to continue on with the cheap rate BIK
 

B R C

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I got as far as: 'homo erotic names and plastic tatt' before nearly choking on my coffee, not gonna line. I was also waiting for the wife-beating/meat-head and string vest comments before declaring Bingo!

Dare anyone ask what your opinion of the new Landrover Defender is? :unsure:
I love my vat and tax claimable defender hardtop, great for the (posh) school run 🎣
 
Sad news for the many that will genuinely be hit ( not just the reps that keep being mentioned ) like the vast amount of farm managers, who don’t actually live on site, so don’t leave it ‘at the place of work’, and do use the vehicle as it’s designed intended.
Taking a couple of staff out to another site, or running them back to the yard after a long day’s harvesting up the road, whilst still needing to carry a gas gun to the pigeon infested rape field and extra string to the baler man, as well as collecting some drums of hydraulic oil for a blown pipe on the potato harvester in the middle of a field. And then hoping for a little trip out with the wife and kids during his or her odd couple of free hours at the weekend.
The quarry manager, very similar. The electrician I know that has one, as he needs good off road ability for some of the places he has to visit, that are at the arse end of nowheresville, and has a young family, so chose this type of dual purpose vehicle.
 

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