Northern Irish Politics Thread (or what passes for politics in NI)

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yoki

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nivilla1982 said:
Begging bowl mentality is a common factor across all the Executive parties.
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While I don't agree with it, I can to some degree understand it as the people they represent are generally becoming both greedier and simultaneously less capable of looking after what they already have.

A situation by no means unique to Northern Ireland or even the UK either.

However, this looks like reneging on a deal and wanting to accept no responsibility whatsoever for our own situation while blaming it all on someone else.

Classic shinner attitude.

But the others should have some self-respect and distance themselves from it, not echo it!
 
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yoki said:
While I don't agree with it, I can to some degree understand it as the people they represent are generally becoming both greedier and simultaneously less capable of looking after what they already have.

A situation by no means unique to Northern Ireland or even the UK either.

However, this looks like reneging on a deal and wanting to accept no responsibility whatsoever for our own situation while blaming it all on someone else.

Classic shinner attitude.

But the others should have some self-respect and distance themselves from it, not echo it!
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Connor Murphy oversaw the Executive Overspending etc which seems to be forgotten about.
Swann moans about lack of money for health yet his department handed back a significant chunk of money because they didn't spend it etc.
 
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yin ewe said:
Always amuses me how they want out from under the rule of Westminster yet they keep crying to them for more money.
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It's nothing new.

They took the British government to court years ago so they could claim expenses and salaries ferninst their Westminster seats even though they were making a big deal about boycotting Westminster.

Absolute two-faced, unprincipled, hypocritical, lying, scum.
 
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yoki

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nivilla1982 said:
Connor Murphy oversaw the Executive Overspending etc which seems to be forgotten about.
Swann moans about lack of money for health yet his department handed back a significant chunk of money because they didn't spend it etc.
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Hopefully if he wins the Westminster seat, which is a distinct possibility, then Beattie will have a clear run to leave the executive and go in to opposition.

To his credit, I think it's what would have been his preferred option a couple of weeks ago but it was going to be a handlin' within the party so he didn't push it.

He's certainly not happy being part of the present circus.
 
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nivilla1982 said:
Yet only one of them says there was no alternative to terrorism.
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I believe in redemption. If someone wants to come away from darkness, I say give them a pull up. We all need it. But yes, part of allowing yourself or your people to be redeemed is owning up to your darkness. It's hard spiritual work, but without that part, the only one you kid is yourself, because everyone else sees it for what it is.
 
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yoki

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There has to be contrition before forgiveness is due.

Sinn Fein, and indeed Ms O'Neill herself are not and never have been contrite.

For those who value it, Isaiah 55 v7.
 
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yoki said:
There has to be contrition before forgiveness is due.

Sinn Fein, and indeed Ms O'Neill herself are not and never have been contrite.

For those who value it, Isaiah 55 v7.
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Have to be careful with context. Verse one seems to say to come eat and drink without cost. And we know it's not about food and wine.

The relationship between contrition and forgiveness doesn't need to be viewed as transactional. They both can exist independently of each other i.e. I can be contrite without receiving or even needing forgiveness, and I can forgive without demanding contrition. But contrition is a necessary step in the process of redemption, because redemption is about moving forward from past darknesses. Sinn Fein on the whole have, and as a matter of policy, not done the hard work of dealing with their darkness. Republicans who have shown contrition are necessarily outside of the party. I think on some level the same applies to the DUP of course. It was key in helping to make the troubles worse for everyone, and I don't think I've seen that accusation met with anything other than arrogance.
 
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The Agrarian said:
Have to be careful with context. Verse one seems to say to come eat and drink without cost. And we know it's not about food and wine.

The relationship between contrition and forgiveness doesn't need to be viewed as transactional. They both can exist independently of each other i.e. I can be contrite without receiving or even needing forgiveness, and I can forgive without demanding contrition. But contrition is a necessary step in the process of redemption, because redemption is about moving forward from past darknesses. Sinn Fein on the whole have, and as a matter of policy, not done the hard work of dealing with their darkness. Republicans who have shown contrition are necessarily outside of the party. I think on some level the same applies to the DUP of course. It was key in helping to make the troubles worse for everyone, and I don't think I've seen that accusation met with anything other than arrogance.
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If Trimble had you on his team, during the GF talks, the thing would have been wrapped up in a few weeks.
 
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yoki

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yin ewe said:
That's because there weren't stuck on the TV every night🤣
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nivilla1982 said:
And on social media claiming they had all the solutions etc
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yoki

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The Agrarian said:
Have to be careful with context. Verse one seems to say to come eat and drink without cost. And we know it's not about food and wine.

The relationship between contrition and forgiveness doesn't need to be viewed as transactional. They both can exist independently of each other i.e. I can be contrite without receiving or even needing forgiveness, and I can forgive without demanding contrition. But contrition is a necessary step in the process of redemption, because redemption is about moving forward from past darknesses. Sinn Fein on the whole have, and as a matter of policy, not done the hard work of dealing with their darkness. Republicans who have shown contrition are necessarily outside of the party. I think on some level the same applies to the DUP of course. It was key in helping to make the troubles worse for everyone, and I don't think I've seen that accusation met with anything other than arrogance.
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I think it's entirely unrealistic and more than a tad foolhardy to expect anyone wronged to forgive, (as in properly forgive as opposed to an empty gesture), without genuine regret and contrition on the part of the aggressor.

Or maybe I'm just not saintly enough.
 

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