Step up Reform Party ?

soapsud · Feb 18, 2024

Lowland1 said:
Everything is unsustainable if more money is going out than going in. However find a political party that is prepared to stand on that kind of platform. They are now an amorphous mass . They've nothing new to offer and no one wants to make a statement.

This is partly why some are voting Reform. They know the system is self-serving. Bo Jo's 80 seat majority and Rishi have achieved nothing of note!

If Reform gets traction there will be a lot of pain. The admin class and corporate middle management will sell up and emigrate, leaving the landed elites (yeomen and farmers, included) and the poor, dispossessed, disenfranchised, deplorables. They call it Neo-feudalism or the Big Re-Set.

Liberalism will only return once the poor have learnt they need the middle class. Starmer will take the Labour Party to hell!

essex man · Feb 18, 2024

Lowland1 said:
Everything is unsustainable if more money is going out than going in. However find a political party that is prepared to stand on that kind of platform. They are now an amorphous mass . They've nothing new to offer and no one wants to make a statement.

There's a lot of old people elsctorally, they don't care about economic sustainability because they will be dead before it bites

Muck Spreader · Feb 18, 2024

robs1 said:
Plenty of politicians have interests in dodgy ventures, also have you forgotten the expenses scandal plenty on all sides up to their neck in sh!t, lots of EU MPs also have answers to give about money too, then we have trump and Clinton in the states, makes no difference which side of the political fence one is on far too many are stood in sh!t

So that lets him off the hook then?

yoki · Feb 18, 2024

essex man said:
There's a lot of old people elsctorally, they don't care about economic sustainability because they will be dead before it bites

Plus there's a never-ending supply of them coming forward!

robs1 · Feb 18, 2024

Muck Spreader said:
So that lets him off the hook then?

Absolutely not but if you chase one you chase them all.

arcobob · Feb 18, 2024

Although it may be argued that Reform is a rehash of UKIP it clearly aims to bring about change. If people want to vote for more of the same, Reform will fail to make an impact. Needless to say, the launching of a new party is a hugely expensive undertaking and it is only natural that wealthy people are required to float the boat. A few posters on here are clearly happy with the status quo and seek no alternative.

jendan · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
Although it may be argued that Reform is a rehash of UKIP it clearly aims to bring about change. If people want to vote for more of the same, Reform will fail to make an impact. Needless to say, the launching of a new party is a hugely expensive undertaking and it is only natural that wealthy people are required to float the boat. A few posters on here are clearly happy with the status quo and seek no alternative.

Reform of what ?

So that Tice and his mates can off shore even more of their money ?

Muck Spreader · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
Although it may be argued that Reform is a rehash of UKIP it clearly aims to bring about change. If people want to vote for more of the same, Reform will fail to make an impact. Needless to say, the launching of a new party is a hugely expensive undertaking and it is only natural that wealthy people are required to float the boat. A few posters on here are clearly happy with the status quo and seek no alternative.

But what are their policies for change?

arcobob · Feb 18, 2024

jendan said:
Reform of what ?

So that Tice and his mates can off shore even more of their money ?

They don`t need a new political party to enable that. Perhaps you could come up with a better suggestion or acceot more of the same.

arcobob · Feb 18, 2024

Muck Spreader said:
But what are their policies for change?

Visit the website. There are a few proposals but little detail. How does that differ from other party manifestations ? I might add that I am an old codger who might vote for more of the same because I am past giving a damn.

Muck Spreader · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
Visit the website. There are a few proposals but little detail. How does that differ from other party manifestations ? I might add that I am an old codger who might vote for more of the same because I am past giving a damn.

Exactly. It can be a party for whatever you wish it to be for. Reminds me of:

arcobob · Feb 18, 2024

Muck Spreader said:
Exactly. It can be a party for whatever you wish it to be for. Reminds me of:

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The problem is the two main parties are fighting for the centre ground and thus we have a stalemate. When the Labour party was formed it was as a result of unjust employment practices which had grown up in the 19th century. The party and its socialist principles gave rise to the nanny state which we have today. The Tories are guilty of supporting it for fear of losing the popular vote and thus we have an amorphous political mess with no vision, a hugely overweight public sector and low productivity. Starmer wants to increase this by doing away with private education for all but the ultra rich simply because it appeals to a significant proportion of voters who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Such policy will benefit nobody in the long run.

hoff135 · Feb 18, 2024

People knocking reform, or any other fringe party from the right or left obviously believe the country has being performing wonderfully under the tories or Labour. From where I'm sitting the country is a complete and utter mess, and was probably in better shape after ww2 and Hitler had bombed large parts of our cities flat.

Hindsight · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
The problem is the two main parties are fighting for the centre ground and thus we have a stalemate. When the Labour party was formed it was as a result of unjust employment practices which had grown up in the 19th century. The party and its socialist principles gave rise to the nanny state which we have today. The Tories are guilty of supporting it for fear of losing the popular vote and thus we have an amorphous political mess with no vision, a hugely overweight public sector and low productivity. Starmer wants to increase this by doing away with private education for all but the ultra rich simply because it appeals to a significant proportion of voters who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Such policy will benefit nobody in the long run.

Labour won power properly for the first time in 1945 (the two periods prior were minority government or a national government) and introduced widespread reforms, socialism as you indicate. However Arcobob the Conservatives won the 1951, 1955 and 1959 elections. The 1955 election with the largest percentage of the electorate in any UK general election (49.5% of the electorate voted Tory). The Tories had 13 years to overturn the post war Labour reforms. Explain.

essex man · Feb 18, 2024

Hindsight said:
Labour won power properly for the first time in 1945 (the two periods prior were minority government or a national government) and introduced widespread reforms, socialism as you indicate. However Arcobob the Conservatives won the 1951, 1955 and 1959 elections. The 1955 election with the largest percentage of the electorate in any UK general election (49.5% of the electorate voted Tory). The Tories had 13 years to overturn the post war Labour reforms. Explain.

He did didn't he?
They are a "right wing party" without right wing policies

arcobob · Feb 18, 2024

Hindsight said:
Labour won power properly for the first time in 1945 (the two periods prior were minority government or a national government) and introduced widespread reforms, socialism as you indicate. However Arcobob the Conservatives won the 1951, 1955 and 1959 elections. The 1955 election with the largest percentage of the electorate in any UK general election (49.5% of the electorate voted Tory). The Tories had 13 years to overturn the post war Labour reforms. Explain.

Perhaps they did not want to overturn Labour reforms but the pendulum swung too far and to violently, thus we suffered 12 years of Blair/ Brown. John Smith was potentially a great loss to Labour. Starmer could make a good PM but I don`t have much time for some of thiose around him. The Libdems continue to shoot themselves in the foot on the odd occasion they stick their heads above the parapet. The best constituency MP that Norfolk has had in recent years by some margin was Norman Lamb, but even he was at odds with some of their entrenched policies.
We have got to improve productivity by expanding the private sector and reducing the public sector. People will have to revert to taking responsibilty for themselves, both their financial and personal wellbeing. It is easier said than done and will come as a shock to some when it happens. Those who work in the private sector, as you will know, are too few supporting too many.

jendan · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
The problem is the two main parties are fighting for the centre ground and thus we have a stalemate. When the Labour party was formed it was as a result of unjust employment practices which had grown up in the 19th century. The party and its socialist principles gave rise to the nanny state which we have today. The Tories are guilty of supporting it for fear of losing the popular vote and thus we have an amorphous political mess with no vision, a hugely overweight public sector and low productivity. Starmer wants to increase this by doing away with private education for all but the ultra rich simply because it appeals to a significant proportion of voters who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Such policy will benefit nobody in the long run.

Im seriously thinking of voting Labour at the election.Ive always voted Liberal or Lib Dem(middle of the road) but dont care for Davy(the post masters lack of action put me more off him)

Starmer seems a decent bloke from a humble background.I dont care if he is boring or has no charisma.I dont want an entertainer or a clown for PM.

Reeves seems competent,and the Education girl well grounded.

Why would anyone vote Tory after what they have done since 2015 ?

Of course my vote wont matter one jot as i am in a safe Tory seat with Opperman the sitting MP.

He voted against farmers interests at the Agriculture Bill,then tried to explain why to a group of farmers in the local mart afterwards.He is gutless.

The Tories have a lefty vegan lesbian environmentalist in charge of Defra policy,with the idiot Barclay as Minister(seems to have disappeared for the last two months).

Labour cant be any worse.

arcobob · Feb 18, 2024

jendan said:
Im seriously thinking of voting Labour at the election.Ive always voted Liberal or Lib Dem(middle of the road) but dont care for Davy(the post masters lack of action put me more off him)

Starmer seems a decent bloke from a humble background.I dont care if he is boring or has no charisma.I dont want an entertainer or a clown for PM.

Reeves seems competent,and the Education girl well grounded.

Why would anyone vote Tory after what they have done since 2015 ?

Of course my vote wont matter one jot as i am in a safe Tory seat with Opperman the sitting MP.

He voted against farmers interests at the Agriculture Bill,then tried to explain why to a group of farmers in the local mart afterwards.He is gutless.

The Tories have a lefty vegan lesbian environmentalist in charge of Defra policy,with the idiot Barclay as Minister(seems to have disappeared for the last two months).

Labour cant be any worse.

I concur with much of that.

Muck Spreader · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
The problem is the two main parties are fighting for the centre ground and thus we have a stalemate. When the Labour party was formed it was as a result of unjust employment practices which had grown up in the 19th century. The party and its socialist principles gave rise to the nanny state which we have today. The Tories are guilty of supporting it for fear of losing the popular vote and thus we have an amorphous political mess with no vision, a hugely overweight public sector and low productivity. Starmer wants to increase this by doing away with private education for all but the ultra rich simply because it appeals to a significant proportion of voters who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Such policy will benefit nobody in the long run.

He has only said that private schools fees should not be VAT exempt and why should they be?

Hindsight · Feb 18, 2024

arcobob said:
Perhaps they did not want to overturn Labour reforms but the pendulum swung too far and to violently, thus we suffered 12 years of Blair/ Brown. John Smith was potentially a great loss to Labour. Starmer could make a good PM but I don`t have much time for some of thiose around him. The Libdems continue to shoot themselves in the foot on the odd occasion they stick their heads above the parapet. The best constituency MP that Norfolk has had in recent years by some margin was Norman Lamb, but even he was at odds with some of their entrenched policies.
We have got to improve productivity by expanding the private sector and reducing the public sector. People will have to revert to taking responsibilty for themselves, both their financial and personal wellbeing. It is easier said than done and will come as a shock to some when it happens. Those who work in the private sector, as you will know, are too few supporting too many.

OK Arcobob. But after that 13 years of Tory government from 1951 to 1963, following just 5 years of Labour in which time the Churcill, Eden, Home governments continued with the 'social contract' resulting from the end of WW2 there was Labour government from 1963 to 1970, so 7 years, then Tories 1970 to 74m, then Labour until 1970 when the country overwhelmingly overthrew the Socialist Labour government and we have 1979 to 1997, some 18 years of Tories -- with the Grantham shopkeepers daughter in charge for most of that with her purse economics and brtuality to the working class and unionised Labour. I agree with you that the Conservative Party is not 'right wing' but is there a desire for a 'true' right wing party - what is a right wing party - what does it stand for, what are its policies. If ever in government would it have the following of the country?

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