Welsh Sustainable Farming Scheme AND Protests

br jones

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Yeah, she is really media savvy. So savvy that she didn't understand the laws of libel. And when she lost, she declared herself bankrupt rather than pay up for the shite that comes out of her mouth.

A gob shite that lacks absolutely any integrity. These are the types of that we don't want attaching themselves to our campaign.
Agreed with all the sbove ,but in the video is there anything you disagree with ?
 

organic

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Powys
Very good item on Five Live around 7.45am this morning. They interviewed a farmer's daughter from Warwickshire basically about all the wet weather recently.

She spoke about having to house the ewes early and the extra costs involved but also about the welfare of the ewes. And also mentioned to say a few words about the situation in Wales.

I didn't catch her name but she put her case ever so well. Ten out of ten.
 

john432

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Location
Carmarthenshire
Just been sent a link by one of the researchers for the Welsh TV programme Y Byd AR Bedwar ,to be shown next Monday evening I believe
What hope is there for Welsh farming..?
 

john432

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Location
Carmarthenshire
Yeah, she is really media savvy. So savvy that she didn't understand the laws of libel. And when she lost, she declared herself bankrupt rather than pay up for the shite that comes out of her mouth.

A gob shite that lacks absolutely any integrity. These are the types of that we don't want attaching themselves to our campaign.
I'd rather have her talking for us than that brainless buffoon from north Wales ,the caravan park keeper!
 

john 650

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Livestock Farmer
I'd rather have her talking for us than that brainless buffoon from north Wales ,the caravan park keeper!
The more he appears on GBeebies news etc the less effective his message is at getting across- and the more it quite rightly fans the flames spread by the likes of Alun Davies and his type. It can only harm us.
 

Still Farming

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South Wales UK
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Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Just been sent a link by one of the researchers for the Welsh TV programme Y Byd AR Bedwar ,to be shown next Monday evening I believe
What hope is there for Welsh farming..?
after watching the clip, to be honest I only want to see one job lost ms Griffiths!
 
The old nut of "net zero " gets all our backs up but there's no point in flat refusing to do anything because that turns some of the public against us ,like the MP calling us climate change deniers the other day. Instead,more effort into how much good is already done by what we have. Most common sense people can see that a newly planted hardwood tree is nothing more than a twig and won't catch carbon for years to any measurable amount and certainly no more than the vegetation that was there in the first place. Also there's a danger of other groups getting mixed in with the SFS argument. For example,this post by a "member" of the protest group on Facebook today.
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I'd rather have her talking for us than that brainless buffoon from north Wales ,the caravan park keeper!


Everyone is getting a bit confused with too much silo thinking.

People you don't like can say things you agree with, people you do like can say things you don't agree with.

People who speak out don't necessarily represent a whole view. You are able decide what you think without being told someone else has to think the same way as you on everything, otherwise it's marxism.

There are times I really don't like GWJ style but it doesn't mean I disagree with him on everything. Same for Katie Hopkins, she is deliberately inflammatory but some things I agree with her, she still doesn't "represent" me. This idea that you have to think the same on everything is just bizarre
 
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john 650

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Livestock Farmer
The old nut of "net zero " gets all our backs up but there's no point in flat refusing to do anything because that turns some of the public against us ,like the MP calling us climate change deniers the other day. Instead,more effort into how much good is already done by what we have. Most common sense people can see that a newly planted hardwood tree is nothing more than a twig and won't catch carbon for years to any measurable amount and certainly no more than the vegetation that was there in the first place. Also there's a danger of other groups getting mixed in with the SFS argument. For example,this post by a "member" of the protest group on Facebook today.View attachment 1167517


I can't like this post enough.

Sitting on SM saying Net Zero is a load of rubbish, and booing Abi Reader ain't going to achieve anything.

Ruminant agriculture has taken huge strides in improving it's emissions, and we can prove that we're really not that far from it- when the correct/accurate measures for grassland CO2 efficiency is used, GWP* recognises methane's short life; and we take into consideration the improvements in genetics have resulted in huge reductions in terms of livestock agriculture's contribution- we're getting more from less resource every single year- more so than just about any other emitting sector. Like it or not, we do have a contribution- and just calling it all rubbish is not going to help.

We've made huge strides over the past two decades- and that's easily forgotten, when we frame our response along the lines of "it's rubbish"
 

john 650

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Livestock Farmer
In 2005 the UK produced just approx 750,000 tonnes of beef. in 2022 it was over 900,000t- that's a 17% increase

The cattle numbers in 2005 were just over 10.5m. 2022 just under 9.5m. A 10% reduction.



Through genetics and feed efficiency- we've made huge strides in producing more from less there as a headline figure.


Like it or not, we contribute to emissions. Like it or not, we've all been on the journey to improve that situation for years.


Sorry for digressing from the original matter of this thread...
 

hendrebc

Member
Livestock Farmer
I can't like this post enough.

Sitting on SM saying Net Zero is a load of rubbish, and booing Abi Reader ain't going to achieve anything.

Ruminant agriculture has taken huge strides in improving it's emissions, and we can prove that we're really not that far from it- when the correct/accurate measures for grassland CO2 efficiency is used, GWP* recognises methane's short life; and we take into consideration the improvements in genetics have resulted in huge reductions in terms of livestock agriculture's contribution- we're getting more from less resource every single year- more so than just about any other emitting sector. Like it or not, we do have a contribution- and just calling it all rubbish is not going to help.

We've made huge strides over the past two decades- and that's easily forgotten, when we frame our response along the lines of "it's rubbish"
I've not spoken to many farmers who think net zero is rubbish but the way the government are going about it isn't right.
They want the farmers to do the heavy lifting to help get to net zero but they don't want to pay fairly for it. They government are the ones that signed up to unrealistic targets with no idea how to do it. Now they are panicking and expect farmers to do all the work for no, or very little rewards while everyone else carries on as normal and nothing else changes.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
In 2005 the UK produced just approx 750,000 tonnes of beef. in 2022 it was over 900,000t- that's a 17% increase

The cattle numbers in 2005 were just over 10.5m. 2022 just under 9.5m. A 10% reduction.



Through genetics and feed efficiency- we've made huge strides in producing more from less there as a headline figure.


Like it or not, we contribute to emissions. Like it or not, we've all been on the journey to improve that situation for years.


Sorry for digressing from the original matter of this thread...
I am not sure we all do, permanent pasture here, no fertliser, rotational grazing, so I think my grassland sequesters more carbon than the global warming potential of cyclic methane from my cattle.
 

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