- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Precisely that I think a way of nationalising land then create ‘A National Park’
Reduction in arable acreages
- Thread starter Kevtherev
- Start date
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Is he still about?Didnt Oliver Walston rally Tanks over his or something
livestock 1
Member
I can’t I have 3 old people who depend on my wife and myself to be here for them 3 kids who won’t want to move including my daughter who is only 8 and autistic so moving her school wouldn’t be an option she’s doing well where she is.
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Might be ok if you farm with staff, bit more winter work messing with stock.
But if your like me, no staff then not so easy. Got rid of our suckler herd 2 year ago as tired of working flat out all year round.
Sure lot of other farms in same boat. To start up in livestock is more investment and work, for not a huge increase in profit. So you start looking at work/life balance.
I got tired of working my arse so supermarkets csn make millions and public can eat cheap food and have 3 holidays abroad a year while I work all the time for low income compared.
livestock 1
Member
Farmers are selling up here no farmers buying land now that day has gone. The last 200 acre lump went to a carbon man from Manchester another farm sold to a fella with a house and a field next door he’s a computer man. Another 500 acres sold to shooters
livestock 1
Member
Sam 3 is ok in improved land but we aren’t allowed it on hill land which is what 95% of our land is so it’s either low input grazing for £61 per acre which is restrictive or £10 per hectare for hill which isn’t adding up
livestock 1
Member
I think they are nationalising hill land. You are bang on the money.
livestock 1
Member
Who is this staff that wants to trail around calving cows and feeding sheep in the rain and snow all winter?
If you find him let me know
kfpben
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- Location
- Mid Hampshire
I think something has changed this year, I’ve had youngsters ringing me up out of the blue for lambing. One rocked up in the yard asking for work last week.
Varying degrees of competency of course but there’s certainly more about.
Either that or word has got out about my wife’s lambing cakes
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Dunno his son David runs the place now
- Location
- Essex
What about higher prices?
- Location
- south norfolk
I can see more small farms dissapearing or going 100% into schemes.costs for everything are getting ridiculous and the returns are not there.land is too dear if you are buying but it’s still making good money so maybe outsiders are buying it to offset their carbon,which I really don’t understand.
nick…
nick…
- Location
- Essex
Except that it's paying for herbal leys and legume fallow at £382 and £670 per ha
You can cut your legume fallow in the first year of establishment so there's your winter forage taken care of.
serf
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- Location
- warwickshire
Nahh , more likely just Draft dodgers ....I think something has changed this year, I’ve had youngsters ringing me up out of the blue for lambing. One rocked up in the yard asking for work last week.
Varying degrees of competency of course but there’s certainly more about.
Either that or word has got out about my wife’s lambing cakes
livestock 1
Member
We have higher prices now but total decline of suckler herds and decline of national flock. No one is going in everyone is getting out.
I calculated bps decline and what would be required of stock prices to make up the difference it was quite a fright
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We have had a long time to adjust to lower subs, the process was going on before the leave vote, Ag is not the only industry that has been seen as not required, coal and steel among them, while that is stupid short term thinking it's a hard fact of life.
Farmers are usually pretty adept at adapting to new
circumstances, the situation ag is in has been on
the cards for a long time, if others are selling land for good prices then there are options, the coal miners or steel workers didn't have assets to sell.
kfpben
Member
- Location
- Mid Hampshire
I went in. I admit I’m unusual!
livestock 1
Member
Ah yes ‘prepare for the end of bps’ with your vast knowledge on farming what would you advise a hill farmer to have done to prepare?
Most have sold their cows cut back the sheep and got a job elsewhere
Some have sold land
I don’t like the comparison between people that have shift jobs and go on strike to people who work seven days a week but there you go
Taken the plunge and put 50% in. Offer signed yesterday. It’s cost the local machinery boys a combine (3 farmers clubbing together) and for me personally a tractor and loader. 50% less fertiliser and chemicals for the next 3 years as well and no casual help needed at harvest. AHL2 into AHL1 is paying £644/ac and that’s without any of the other things like no insecticide and direct drilling. You’re mad not to go into this at these rates.
ollie989898
Member
Might as well give it a try just be wary of the fudgers getting shirty when you change your mind in 3 years time and put it all under the plough again. Will reduce your risk in the medium term which is no bad thing as far as I can see given the present circumstances.
This changing of the goal posts is a thing and very real danger- see the AJCC thread if you don't believe me.
Thousands of tonnes less wheat and barley mind will be no bad thing for arable farmers with long term interest in continuing the job.