Is This Bad Husbandry?

010101 · Mar 4, 2024

There is also "to keep and produce on demand to the landlord true accounts and vouchers of all produce sold off or removed from the said land".

There is also the liability on the tenant " to stop all encroachments".
If an application for adverse possession was made against any of the premises it would not succeed. It would also be expensive for the tenant, having to pay my legal fees.

I am fully aware of how difficult it is for young people to make a living out of farming. At £30 acre rent I think I am on their side.

The first LL was the "Secretary of State".
It is a thorough lease.

010101 · Mar 4, 2024

The tenant has an about 8000sq ft barn of his own adjoining the premises. It is rarely attended by anyone.

Fellstoflats · Mar 4, 2024

010101 said:
Recently bought some tenanted land. On visiting it today, I found this ewe clamped over a lamb. She had no water. There was no-one on site.
This looks completely unacceptable. Who better to ask than TFF.

Did you find a dead horse in a stable?

Humble Village Farmer · Mar 4, 2024

010101 said:
He cannot mow under the lease. It is a grazing only licence.

He can sell the grass for grazing...

Dry Rot · Mar 4, 2024

010101 said:
He cannot mow under the lease. It is a grazing only licence.

The idea behind that is so nutrients are not removed from the holding and are returned to the soil, which again is just good farming. Go on then, "sustainable".

010101 · Mar 4, 2024

Humble Village Farmer said:
He can sell the grass for grazing...

"Not to assign underlet or part with the possession of the premises or any part thereof"

He would have to issue a grazing licence to not part with possession, which would be underletting.

Flatland guy · Mar 4, 2024

If as you say the first landlord was the secretary of the state, I would naturally presume it is a robust and fully documented lease which severely limits what the tenant cannot do, only helps in your favour. The government don't like someone cheating them so I expect they ensured there was not many loopholes in the lease.

Lakes Nash · Mar 4, 2024

it’s going around in circles now, about 4th time round, why tf don’t you just go and ask who, what or whatever or even the sheep in the adopter what’s what? You been a landlord now for 72 hrs, big responsibility! So put us all out of our misery and just go and ask some fooker!

MRT · Mar 4, 2024

Dry Rot said:
Go on then, "sustainable".

Careful now. You will start growing a beard and wearing sandals using words like that

Mc115reed · Mar 4, 2024

010101 said:
"Not to assign underlet or part with the possession of the premises or any part thereof"

He would have to issue a grazing licence to not part with possession, which would be underletting.

If you got anymore full of sh!t and stupidity swirled in with a hint of arrogance I don’t think I could bare it … here’s a situation for you..

I rent nearly 3000 acres… I graze 6,000 sheep… I only actually own 400 of them, a 3rd party owns the rest of those sheep and they pay me a fee too manage/ look after them … in your logic I’m subletting all of my land too somebody else… but Iv got 27 different landlords that don’t see it that way

Bury the Trash · Mar 4, 2024

Mc115reed said:
If you got anymore full of sh!t and stupidity swirled in with a hint of arrogance I don’t think I could bare it … here’s a situation for you..

I rent nearly 3000 acres… I graze 6,000 sheep… I only actually own 400 of them, a 3rd party owns the rest of those sheep and they pay me a fee too manage/ look after them … in your logic I’m subletting all of my land too somebody else… but Iv got 27 different landlords that don’t see it that way

why reply , why try to help anyone like it. i don t understand why these sort of threads go so far. they obviously don't have genuinely interested people behind them .

glasshouse · Mar 4, 2024

Dry Rot said:
The idea behind that is so nutrients are not removed from the holding and are returned to the soil, which again is just good farming. Go on then, "sustainable".

Those types of lease were from 100 yrs ago before the advent of bagged fertiliser and are irrelevant today.

whitefox · Mar 4, 2024

If it was my ewe and you did that while I had plenty else going on with lambing, you would "meet" me??? ,a whole lot quicker than you would like!

Henarar · Mar 5, 2024

whitefox said:
If it was my ewe and you did that while I had plenty else going on with lambing, you would "meet" me??? ,a whole lot quicker than you would like!

So what would you do when you met someone that had given your sheep some water ?

glasshouse · Mar 5, 2024

Henarar said:
So what would you do when you met someone that had given your sheep some water ?

I think he means put pics on internet

puppet · Mar 5, 2024

Mc115reed said:
If you got anymore full of sh!t and stupidity swirled in with a hint of arrogance I don’t think I could bare it … here’s a situation for you..

I rent nearly 3000 acres… I graze 6,000 sheep… I only actually own 400 of them, a 3rd party owns the rest of those sheep and they pay me a fee too manage/ look after them … in your logic I’m subletting all of my land too somebody else… but Iv got 27 different landlords that don’t see it that way

But I presume your landlords are fully aware and happy of the situation. Be different if you then arranged for other sheep owners on and charged them a rent.
The longer the thread it is clearer that the lease is pretty detailed. If I bought a place with a grazing licence I would expect one tenant and not to find livestock in the sheds. Therefore I would enter the sheds whenever I wanted. The tenant is not paying for them.
He gave the sheep water which I would have thanked him for.
He also quoted that he had rights to access and inspect the property which some may not like but that is what the tenant signed up to.
The problem with some lets is that there are tenants who take cuts of silage but don't apply the agreed fertilizer and deplete the soil. Treat it like hiring machine.

glasshouse · Mar 5, 2024

puppet said:
But I presume your landlords are fully aware and happy of the situation. Be different if you then arranged for other sheep owners on and charged them a rent.
The longer the thread it is clearer that the lease is pretty detailed. If I bought a place with a grazing licence I would expect one tenant and not to find livestock in the sheds. Therefore I would enter the sheds whenever I wanted. The tenant is not paying for them.
He gave the sheep water which I would have thanked him for.
He also quoted that he had rights to access and inspect the property which some may not like but that is what the tenant signed up to.
The problem with some lets is that there are tenants who take cuts of silage but don't apply the agreed fertilizer and deplete the soil. Treat it like hiring machine.

If the tenant has used the sheds unmolested for years he has established a precedent.
If they are on the plan they are in the let unless they have a red pen drawn round them

010101 · Mar 5, 2024

Mc115reed said:
If you got anymore full of sh!t and stupidity swirled in with a hint of arrogance I don’t think I could bare it … here’s a situation for you..

I rent nearly 3000 acres… I graze 6,000 sheep… I only actually own 400 of them, a 3rd party owns the rest of those sheep and they pay me a fee too manage/ look after them … in your logic I’m subletting all of my land too somebody else… but Iv got 27 different landlords that don’t see it that way

Subletting involves being paid a rent on the land that you are a tenant of.
How much rent do you get paid?

010101 · Mar 5, 2024

whitefox said:
If it was my ewe and you did that while I had plenty else going on with lambing, you would "meet" me??? ,a whole lot quicker than you would like!

I want to meet the shepherd.
Threats of violence?

Dry Rot · Mar 5, 2024

010101 said:
I want to meet the shepherd.
Threats of violence?

Is the shepherd under any obligation to meet you? If so, presumably that is written into the agreement. Otherwise, the tenant is not being able to exercise his rights (i.e. to graze sheep) "without let or hindrance". The shepherd has his work to do.

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