Hindsight
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Many won't!
New limits to SFI.
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Many won't!
To be honest you can look at the rules and find reasons why you can't do any of the options, in the end I just thought rubbish lets have a go and see what happens, at the end of the day if you want the money that's what you have to do.
you can use a feed trough in low input
you can use fert as well, just not much
Hindsight
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And if worried place the cash in a separate bank account and leave it there for the three years until satisfied will not be asked to return it. And ask accountant to place an accrual in the annual accounts.
All I will have to do is not top it, which I haven't bothered so much with in recent years anyway.
don't think low input is much good for mowing land though I have just put that in the legumes option as there is some clover about
Hindsight
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So with £151 LIG1 and £102 NUM2 plus management plans, Admin payment, SAM1a soil organic matter and any hedgerow payment I hazard a guess you are half way or more to previous BPS payment. And of course still going to receive the rump BPS payment in 2024. Some costs against that - for OM lab tests (not a lot) any payment to a rapacious BASiS / FACTS adviser for the plans. And a bit of clover seed if need to overseed for NUM2 -- though you say you have clover already. And then it is a case of whether these change affect your ability to produce as you have - you seem quite sanguine about that. Interesting stuff H. Cheers.
yep the rules are loose and open to how the inspector sees it on the day, what we have done makes very little odds to our farming with minimal outlay and it comes to a little more than BPS which on our 40 odd HA claimable you can work out.
as in your post here
its surprising how the different options mount up when you come to add it all up at the end
livestock 1
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I’m on with cattle at the moment but just tot this lot up for me or someone else will
An example of a 10 acre field here
500 hoggs in on hoppers @ £150
100 bales of silage @ £25
200 store lambs grazed for 10 weeks @ 50p per week
150 ewes grazed for 6 weeks @ 60p per week
What’s that earned?
fieldfarmer
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But it's not "lower yeilds in arable fields " for that payment its zero yeild and around £250 ha in costs to plant , so in your scenario doubting the rate should be very different for the same payment value would it not be zero stocking rate and deduct the costs involved in buying and planting the cover crop.
fieldfarmer
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Unless you have 500 hogs on hoppers in every 10 acre field that number would have to be averaged over the holding to give a accurate figure.
really? if thats the case how come there are farmers (and successful ones to ) who have either never had subs or never had much ? who have farmed and still farm.
Granted, it can be a huge head scratching challenge.
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yep we done the pest management one as well can't remember the code, ADDAS done the soil samples and the management plans we just have to pay for the lab work which is more than covered by the soil option in the first year, hedges/trees was the big one for us 7.5 miles of them [single side] [work it out] nice that they are making me a few quid as well as providing shelter.
nice to be being paid at last for doing the right thing environmentally all these years, SOM tests were interesting between 10 and 21 % and this is not peat land, all that lovely carbon locked up
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I don't count the management plans etc at all. They either need a 'professional' or a reasonable amount of time to do them/make them up yourself. The only free one for me is hedgerow trees. Even then, on a fully hedged farm, all the hedge options only total a couple of £k. It really is annoying when reading that mixed farm that claw back BPS through hedges - it's just crumbs for peasants.
livestock 1
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No
I could have 10 acres of arable and not have to plant the rest arable
Don’t be silly
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After spraying and top dressing fairly sick looking cereal crops over the the past day or so I’m highly tempted to put the lot into grass herbal leys. We’d gross £30,000 for that. Anything the sheep could make of them would be a bonus. On a poorer smaller farm that now looks much more attractive, is a lot simpler than a sequence of options in an arable rotstion with constantly changing areas and Reestablishment as seed costs. If the herbal leys would last three years then it’s seriously interesting. We have sheep anyway. Not enough to graze the whole farm if it all went into herbal leys but as I said to my brother would that even matter if they are generating £150 unutilused. Far simpler and better value in my estimation than keeping track of varying areas of rotational options in a small scale (100 acre) arable rotation.
No idea what that adds up to but I want that field if it can sustain that over a year.
livestock 1
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Put some muck and fertiliser on then it will
you can get them done for nart
21%! What's been your highest figure @Clive ?yep we done the pest management one as well can't remember the code, ADDAS done the soil samples and the management plans we just have to pay for the lab work which is more than covered by the soil option in the first year, hedges/trees was the big one for us 7.5 miles of them [single side] [work it out] nice that they are making me a few quid as well as providing shelter.
nice to be being paid at last for doing the right thing environmentally all these years, SOM tests were interesting between 10 and 21 % and this is not peat land, all that lovely carbon locked up