Claas 650

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

My Tractors are serviced on the dot & nothing missed.
you wouldnt think this one is 5.5yrs old & clocked nearly 3550hrs atm its just like new.
I fear it will be here for a long time.

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

Anyhow neighbour has one of them 650 Tractors & it does look rather smart..
Has same suspension upfront as my 6480 i think & the rear lift from the bigger masseys
atleast i think thats its model number

icanshootwell · Feb 23, 2017

Take the engine problems in the 900 fendts, regardless if you have warranty, fendt will sort them out, they know there is a problem, and they know its not the drivers fault. As a consumer we the paying public have some rights, The way i see it warranty is a big fat con, we have paid enough for the product in the 1st place, lets not carry on paying for it, its the cherry on the top for these companys

icanshootwell · Feb 23, 2017

Farma Parma said:
i agree but there is unknown events...
Had complete new shuttle unit rep in mine... anyone priced a job up like that?
tractor halfed & its pretty major surgury...
Didnt cost me a single penny.
This was in year 4 bear it in mind & it had taken over 2years to get to this point.
No iffs no butts it was all covered.
Had mudguard replaced, both Shark Gilled red Engine Side panels as i call them. for clip fittings causing plastic to crack
Track rod end at 3000hrs all for free
Fan Blower in cab (Twice) there shite, 7499 needs another one now but its out of warranty.
they squeal like a bearing is away high pitched whistle...
New Datatronic Screen
Pickup Hitch lift rod
Pickup Hitch pin locking bolts
Thats the dearer parts i can remember, there is def more.

Was any of these problems your fault? probably not, its not exceptable. If i thought i was going to have problems like that, i would change brands.

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

icanshootwell said:
Take the engine problems in the 900 fendts, regardless if you have warranty, fendt will sort them out, they know there is a problem, and they know its not the drivers fault. As a consumer we the paying public have some rights, The way i see it warranty is a big fat con, we have paid enough for the product in the 1st place, lets not carry on paying for it, its the cherry on the top for these companys

well you cant claim out of warranty if you didnt have the warranty in the first place even if the dealer/maker looks after you.
Ive heard for too many folks getting large bills in year 3 for instance...
you pay you money & take your chance.
AGCO one is id say the best out there.

hally · Feb 23, 2017

KB6930 said:
Has that changed my last 6930 was warranted the oil and filters was all in the price but I did the servicing ?

No idea, just coming back to JD from fendt, but its what I was told.

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

icanshootwell said:
Was any of these problems your fault? probably not, its not exceptable. If i thought i was going to have problems like that, i would change brands.

Nope nothing in the way ive driven it done any of the issues..
like ive said come & see how tidy it actually is.
The previous Perkins 6480 had a major front suspension issue that dragged on for 3years & still cost me nowt & was finally fixed.

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

If there was an option to ext warranty further id have bought it...

hally · Feb 23, 2017

Farma Parma said:
i agree but there is unknown events...
Had complete new shuttle unit rep in mine... anyone priced a job up like that?
tractor halfed & its pretty major surgury...
Didnt cost me a single penny.
This was in year 4 bear it in mind & it had taken over 2years to get to this point.
No iffs no butts it was all covered.
Had mudguard replaced, both Shark Gilled red Engine Side panels as i call them. for clip fittings causing plastic to crack
Track rod end at 3000hrs all for free
Fan Blower in cab (Twice) there shite, 7499 needs another one now but its out of warranty.
they squeal like a bearing is away high pitched whistle...
New Datatronic Screen
Pickup Hitch lift rod
Pickup Hitch pin locking bolts
Thats the dearer parts i can remember, there is def more.

I have to say that rightly or wrongly a list like that would have me running to a different colour even with the warranty.

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

hally said:
I have to say that rightly or wrongly a list like that would have me running to a different colour even with the warranty.

everything sorted now theres no need...
Cant say theres many others id consider other than maybes a Fendt...
when wheat hits £200/ton i'll buy one..

hally · Feb 23, 2017

Farma Parma said:
everything sorted now theres no need...
Cant say theres many others id consider other than maybes a Fendt...
when wheat hits £200/ton i'll buy one..

Yeah they all go wrong even the Fendt

but I wonder if the car or haulage industry would tolerate the unreliability of modern tractors?

Farma Parma · Feb 23, 2017

hally said:
Yeah they all go wrong even the Fendt but I wonder if the car or haulage industry would tolerate the unreliability of modern tractors?

Thats where things for the farmer aint in our favour unlike the Car industry.
how long before all new cars will have 5 or 7 year warranty as standard? it took plenty long enough to give us the 3 years.
£75k-£120k Tractors should all have 5 years no question.
They will all charge you plenty once its got none to fix things thats for sure.

icanshootwell · Feb 23, 2017

hally said:
Yeah they all go wrong even the Fendt but I wonder if the car or haulage industry would tolerate the unreliability of modern tractors?

This is what i am saying , back in the 90s a new 5150 cost 25 k No body bothered with ex warranty then, simple bullet proof, OK so they made a more complicated tractor today nicer to drive etc, but why should we pay for the unreliability of them, con con con

Superted820 · Feb 23, 2017

icanshootwell said:
Your similar hours to me, the way i see it my tractors are not dogged to hard, hopefully any gremlins will arise in the 1st year around 750 hrs, lets face it the engine and trans should be ok for a while, if it wasn't, warranty or not, i would be banging on some doors. No tractor costing north of 70 k should be giving to much trouble pre 5000 hrs

Absolutely right. These manufacturers need to stand behind their products a bit bit more. If it's as good as you say then warranty as standard to 5000 hours shouldn't be an issue.

Johnny Deere · Feb 23, 2017

jake said:
naw turn the suspenson aff ya mupet da rest af it wil wok jst fine wi oot it .
an tak that stupid jd skip aff yer naper wil yer at it ya dober

Has to be begbie from trainspotting

Superted820 · Feb 24, 2017

Farma Parma said:
My Tractors are serviced on the dot & nothing missed.
you wouldnt think this one is 5.5yrs old & clocked nearly 3550hrs atm its just like new.
I fear it will be here for a long time.

No offence meant at all, but with 3550hours on it I would hope it still is like new. Especially at 5.5 years old.
To my mind the whole warranty thing is a con. To start with 6000 hours warranty lasts me three years. 3 yr / 3000hr warranty is worthless. It all seems to be geared towards the arable sector. Again no offence meant!!

Farma Parma · Feb 24, 2017

Superted820 said:
No offence meant at all, but with 3550hours on it I would hope it still is like new. Especially at 5.5 years old.
To my mind the whole warranty thing is a con. To start with 6000 hours warranty lasts me three years. 3 yr / 3000hr warranty is worthless. It all seems to be geared towards the arable sector. Again no offence meant!!

No Offense at all.
Everyone views things how they want.
you can spec how many years or hours combination you need
you tech can have 6000hrs & or 3 years if thats what you must have.
Hows it geared towards any sector? doesnt matter what you do with your tractor it clocks up the same hrs if you use it.
If i was clocking up 6000hrs in 3 years id even more so have it all warrantied or on a contract hire scheme & it would be changed after then.
Theres plenty of tractors at 1,000 hrs in a real state & some that get little or no servicing done.
the one thing having looked at reguarding used Masseys that had ext warranty on it made me sure that 100% it was serviced every 400hrs at the time i know its 500 or 600 now. but thats beside the point.

Superted820 · Feb 24, 2017

Farma Parma said:
No Offense at all.
Everyone views things how they want.
you can spec how many years or hours combination you need
you tech can have 6000hrs & or 3 years if thats what you must have.
Hows it geared towards any sector? doesnt matter what you do with your tractor it clocks up the same hrs if you use it.
If i was clocking up 6000hrs in 3 years id even more so have it all warrantied or on a contract hire scheme & it would be changed after then.
Theres plenty of tractors at 1,000 hrs in a real state & some that get little or no servicing done.
the one thing having looked at reguarding used Masseys that had ext warranty on it made me sure that 100% it was serviced every 400hrs at the time i know its 500 or 600 now. but thats beside the point.

I think warranties are geared towards the arable side as they seem to take 1000 hours a year max as the norm. Standard warranties aren't high enough hours or long enough time periods for contractors use.
If I had a machine that was rough after 1000 hours it's driver wouldn't be able to sit down for a week!

njneer · Feb 25, 2017

Our industry needs to move on.
As an industry we are obsessed with the "bottom line" the "to change figure".
We should be following the haulage industry most haulage company's would hardly be able to tell you the " to change figure" they work on fixed costs for the term of the vehicle and know exactly how much per month that vehicle is costing them over the term and as such have an exact costing.
The truck is fully warranted for the term and on a full repair and maintenance contract for the term so no surprises and the truck is regularly maintained and serviced on the button.
They have no £600 or £1000 to find or cheque to write every 500-1000 hours for servicing as it is built into the payment structure.
Problem being when you build a package like this farmers will be quoting against other makes who are not selling the warranty and service included and their tractor then looks expensive in comparison.
A fixed cost approach with all servicing and extended warranty built in worked out over the term of the machine is the way to go now for the business savvy and modern forward thinking farmer especially when things are tight .
It also helps with the resale value as any truck owner will tell you buying a second hand truck that has previously been on full R and M contract will have wanted for nothing and been serviced on the money and be more confident in it going forward.

icanshootwell · Feb 25, 2017

Surely thats contract hire, when you have a machine over say a 5 year period, you dont own the machine, just pay hire , with all the servicing ,repairs in the costings. It works out more money than buying the machine out right. It works for some people who may run 5 tractors, and want some peace of mind all the tractors are covered.
A spud farmer by me does it, all the machine are serviced and maintained by the dealership on contract hire, saying that i would not want a 2nd hand off them

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