Farming Connect to promote Welsh language.

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
As an aside, South Pembrokeshire has been English speaking since 1100 when Normans populated it with Flemish settlers. There seems to be an insidious attempt to Welsh-ify the area in recent years. Witness the ridiculous attempts at trying to give Cresselly a Welsh name, and a bilingual sign for Narberth, by dropping off the N to create Arberth......
This IMO is just as bad as English folk populating Welsh speaking areas and expecting everyone to speak English.
Tin hat on.

Our local Council (note we are deep blue with over 55% Welsh speakers) are having fun with Beaumaris.... now nobody knows where it is
 

Hasbeennoall

Member
Mixed Farmer
Only farm business that use connect around here are sub for boiler and free-range and factory farm dairy expansion not the eco may the world requires??
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Interesting.

I suppose you refer to Spain as Espania, Germany as Deutschland etc etc?
No, but the German's don't call their own country Germany do they ? ie the folks that actually live there.

Are you still claiming Narberth is Welsh, with surrounding settlements called Canaston, Robeston, Minwear, Newton, Flimston, Highgate , Yerbeston, Martin Hill , Mounton , Molleston , Templeton, Chapel Hill , Catershook , Westerton, Ludchurch, Mountain , Cold Blow, Princess Gate, Crinow , Redstone ?........... There's a scattering of Welsh names, but not many. Bit like the percentage of Welsh speakers ......
 

Johngee

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Llandysul
We chose the other way, to make sure the Welsh was in there properly from the start. Welsh medium primary and Welsh stream secondary - but with A Levels in English if they choose the sciences or math's, see below for more in re' this...


I can't see a disadvantage in speaking, none at all. But there are definite disadvantages in being educated in it in some subjects. I know of two, and have heard of other cases of medical students coming from Welsh science A Levels, straight A's throughout, and entering university to find themselves really struggling because the courses were entirely in English and the vocab' needed just didn't come to hand. Both were struggling by the end of their first year, one made it and graduated, the other dropped out in - I think - year three.

I started a medical degree and realised it wasn't for me at all, but can tell you that the volume of work required at the start is phenomenal. Having to cope with it and an entirely new vocab' would have been extremely hard. That's why our kids will have the option of doing their A Levels in English, there isn't a university in Wales - or the rest of the world - that teaches engineering, the sciences, nursing, medicine etc. in Welsh and we don't want them disadvantaged if that's the route they choose.


It's not universally acknowledged, there is me and him that disagree with it for a start. (y)

Just to allay your fears somewhat - as you would imagine our three have gone through Welsh medium education. The eldest did his science A levels in Welsh and has now gone on to study Chemistry at Warwick. He's just passed his first year with flying colours. Even though he did his subjects in Welsh the teachers always introduced them to the English version of any technical terms, which has meant he hasn't been held back in any way.
He says there's students on his course from many other countries who are studying in English for the first time. If they've got the ability they can do it.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
No, but the German's don't call their own country Germany do they ? ie the folks that actually live there.

Are you still claiming Narberth is Welsh, with surrounding settlements called Canaston, Robeston, Minwear, Newton, Flimston, Highgate , Yerbeston, Martin Hill , Mounton , Molleston , Templeton, Chapel Hill , Catershook , Westerton, Ludchurch, Mountain , Cold Blow, Princess Gate, Crinow , Redstone ?........... There's a scattering of Welsh names, but not many. Bit like the percentage of Welsh speakers ......
Christ on a bike. It might have escaped your notice that Welsh don't either call themselves Welsh or their country Wales in Welsh either.
Narberth is a derivative of Perth, which literally means either 'sh!t heap' or 'hedge'. Not joking. I've a contractor out at this moment that is 'tori'r perthi' or 'hedge cutting' for you philistine.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Christ on a bike. It might have escaped your notice that Welsh don't either call themselves Welsh or their country Wales in Welsh either.
Narberth is a derivative of Perth, which literally means either 'sh!t heap' or 'hedge'. Not joking. I've a contractor out at this moment that is 'tori'r perthi' or 'hedge cutting' for you philistine.
Well for the last 1000 years it's been English, so suck it up, and try and post without insults.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
The Welsh language is the most divisive thing in Wales.

As someone who understands quite a bit but doesn’t speak a great deal it is shocking how arrogant and rude a lot of Welsh speakers are.

Attending an agricultural college nearby many years ago it confirmed my idea of the arrogance when Welsh speaking lecturers and staff would rattle on in Welsh to the students who spoke it leaving out the ones who could not understand.

My wife speaks Welsh and we have made a conscious decision to educate our three children through the English medium as it gives them a better chance in further education.

I want my children to be global citizens not petty minded ignorant souls who have hardly travelled beyond the Welsh border.
I wanted my children to be able to live in their local community speaking the language everyone uses, and also able to work at a high level in English (son is doing his masters degree in Physics in Bath, daughter did a science degree in Cardiff), both did half of their A levels in Welsh. I would be very surprised if anyone could grow up in our internet age without being able to speak or function in English, I think it is depriving our children if we do not encourage them to speak Welsh. Growing up with more than one language creates more neural pathways which is beneficial for life long learning anyway. Would you go to a college in France and expect the lecturers to speak only in English?
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Almost all primary school children are taught some Welsh in Welsh located schools, so the best way to promote the language is to carry on speaking it to them so that they too carry on using it.
Very many people around here have learnt, or have begun speaking Welsh in their teens or later, many having no previous Welsh language background. They are proud of their achievement and of their bilingualism and extended vocabulary. They can socialise easily in all situations using one or, very commonly, both languages depending on who they talk to. Very soon their thought processes as well as the spoken language becomes bilingual, so they car read something in one language and immediately discuss it in the other, interchangeably.
I only wish that I had also learnt French, German and Spanish when I was younger. A friend is fluent in nine languages, including Mandarin and Welsh, even English, which puts paid to the lie that learning any particular language is in any way divisive.

If you can't understand the local language, or the language of a region, don't be a lazy complaining git, learn it and use it yourself.
when my daughter was younger, she used to say why have we got road signs in English, when we have our own language, if we go to France they don't put signs in English in case people can't speak French!
 

n.w

Member
Location
western isles
My three children all went to gadhlig medium primary school and English secondary. My eldest daughter is at Gaelic college. She is also showing talent in French..My view is that it is a very good thing to have other languages, English is widely available via social media and TV so children wont miss out
 

Hasbeennoall

Member
Mixed Farmer
Some of us may be lazy, but also like me not able or bright enough to learn !you all sound a bit elitism and bit narrow in views,my kids went to uni and did well but none found jobs in Wales and none of them happy in stressful jobs,and none would come back to Wales ,nationalism is a very dangerous game look back at history 50 million died 75 years ago !
 

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