CopperBeech
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Pushed out to make way for an expanding dairy enterprise. Yay!
Coming Home For Lambing.
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Sorry to hear that mate, keep trying something will turn up! Might not seem like it at the minute though I know!
Boydvalley
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So sorry to hear, that’s very rough. Don’t give up you’ve a lot to offer.
Sorry to hear that. You've had a rubbish time. Hope it works out for you.
CopperBeech
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I will, but I’m not entirely convinced if I’m honest. I’m effectively a new entrant, gone from an employed shepherd, to self employed, to running my own company. Built up from 3 of my own sheep to 1500. I have worked everyday I can remember since I started this journey. I have been shafted quite a few times, had nightmare staff, had a ten year tenancy sold out from under neath me and now all of this. In 12 years my sheep have only lambed on the same farm twice, this year and last.
I don’t know what the future of uk ag is ? Everyone keeps saying the future is bright, but all I see is farms bought by rich city folk to make them ‘tax efficient’, farms being broken up into life style blocks for rich city folk, land agents telling anyone who owns a farm to rent them on short term lets with no security So they can keep subs, or offer one sided share farming deals, or just plant trees.
The future doesn’t seem very bright at all, unless you are someone who doesn’t do much farming but is flat out on social media self promoting and telling everyone uk ag is amazing and we needs lots of new entrants etc.
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Sadly this is the truth.
Unless you can find some form of security (traditional tenancies) or were gifted farmland - or are rich enough to buy your own.
I take my hat off to anyone who is prepared to plough everything they have into anything with no form of security for the long term who can be told to get the f**k off the land at the drop of a hat
If I lost here I think I'd forget trying to go again, I'd just be a 'herd for some land owner...
I'm sorry to hear of the position you are in.
CopperBeech
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That’s just about where I am now. It’s heart breaking when you realise no matter how smart you are, how good you are or how hard you work, it doesn’t overly matter. What matters is being born into the right situation, knowing the right folk or having a slick social
Media profile and pr campaign.
I could get a job managing someone else’s stock tomorrow, as I’m fairly good at what I do. But it would feel like a major step backwards after all of the graft and it doesn’t overly seem very fair, but then life ain’t fair is it.
I just want a bit of security, five years would feel like a lifetime!
Same around here
Couldn't agree more, greed has never been worse amongst alot of landowners.
Is it worth a new thread on here? There could be someone in your area that could help/ maybe some sort of joint venture?
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That's really bad news. Very sorry for you.
Hope they've given you a decent amount of notice so you've a chance to make some contingency plans.
Best wishes and good luck (you're certainly due for some).
that sounds really rough & tough going. How do these tenancies work over there now that you can be shifted out like that
had the landlord right to sell to highest bidder or did you join tenancy knowing it could be short term? Sorry just curious
I thought it would work like houses where you sign lease for a period & can’t be moved or price increased until term up
CopperBeech
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I say ‘tenancy’ sadly there are lots of us who’s whole buisness is reliant on rolling 12 month grazing licences with no security.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
The UK needs serious land/tax reform. 'Right to Buy' gets all the blame in Scotland for no new tenancies but the situation is equally as bad in England (and I presume Wales)... it's an utter disgrace
CopperBeech
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The biggest problem with regard to access to land is -
The taxation system re rich folk pretending to farm to avoid tax
Subs - play the active farmer while someone else does the work a
Land agents
One sided joint ventures / share farming deals
Stewardship schemes which pay large sums for legume mixes which are topped once a year
Probably more!
How does the tax situation benefit these people? Over here you can’t write off the purchase of land against tax only the interest charged
rolling 12month contracts over here are called “con”acre. You can’t get any grants or Enviromental scheme payment under lease is 5 years plus
also if you rent land for 6 years or more the landlord gets the entire income tax free which is a good incentive
unfortunately the entitlements are a huge issue
rolling 12month contracts over here are called “con”acre. You can’t get any grants or Enviromental scheme payment under lease is 5 years plus
also if you rent land for 6 years or more the landlord gets the entire income tax free which is a good incentive
unfortunately the entitlements are a huge issue
CopperBeech
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It’s a way of ploughing money from other stuff into a farming venture, not making a profit etc and avoiding the tax. More complex that than obviously.
its not just in farming either, the greed amongst the rich now a days is disgusting
keep ya chin up though you are obviously good at adapting to crap situations, and good luck for future
Boydvalley
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I live 5 miles from Dyson’s house. He’s just swallows up all the good farms in the area. A lot of business’s gone for ever. Just scraps left. Even the big units are struggling against him.
Youve clearly got good business sense and know how to graft. Sad to say but you’d do very well outside of Ag.
Youve clearly got good business sense and know how to graft. Sad to say but you’d do very well outside of Ag.
I used to run sheep on multiple short term let's and it was a struggle. Nightmare landlords, crap fencing, flood planes or taking on ground and having it sold under your feet. In the end I asked myself if I could see myself doing it in ten years time. Sold sheep as couples luckily in a good year and had a change in direction. Honestly it was a relief. Hadn't realised how stressful it was and how knackered I was. And I wasn't looking after someone else's stock at the same time! Respect to you.