Making meat production illegal - yikes

Fat hen

Member
As soon as these crazy ideas are out in the Public Domain they gain traction

think Veganism. Who’d heard of that 20 years ago
Think rewilding. Was that even a word ten years ago
Yep Veganism was nowhere, now suddenly its everywhere. Being normalised and pushed from those with power.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
I get your point, but from the same source,
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The four meats are pretty close with regards to protein per 100g.

What is also interesting to see is the land use per 100g of protein.
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Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-protein-poore

It would seem that those who have a problem with livestock farming love that graph about land use requirement but it is meaningless or actually positive.

It is positive in that it shows how free to roam cattle and sheep are.

It is meaningless in that it does not indicate multiple uses of that land. It includes moors, cliffs and even woodland. Knowing the sleight of hand used in these datasets, it probably includes areas of corn and soya etc on which cattle use the by-products.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Absolutely, as stated already by @MX7 and @Ffermer Bach . Some land is suitable for certain products and not others.
and even the land that grows good arable crops, we need to give a "rest" to every now and again, if it is to keep growing good crops for ever (and that "rest" is a fertility building grazed ley for a few years), just as they said on the farming connect grassmaster course, your grazing should have a 12 week rest over the winter, so it can hit the spring flying.

I don't know if David Walston (Thriplow Farm) is a member here, but I found his Nuffield report really interesting and inspiring actually.



For those how haven't time to read the full report.
After a few years of working on our family farm, I noticed that some fields performed significantly better than their neighbours, even though the soil types were very similar. The histories of these fields were very different, with the better performing ones having been more recently used for growing grass and grazing livestock. In our case, we found that even after 25 years there could be as much as a 25% increase in yields in fields that had been more recently in pasture. Many farmers realise that these areas always grow the best crops, but there is a reluctance to understand why, or to try and harness those characteristics to improve the whole farm
 

carbonfibre farmer

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Arable Farmer
and even the land that grows good arable crops, we need to give a "rest" to every now and again, if it is to keep growing good crops for ever (and that "rest" is a fertility building grazed ley for a few years), just as they said on the farming connect grassmaster course, your grazing should have a 12 week rest over the winter, so it can hit the spring flying.

I don't know if David Walston (Thriplow Farm) is a member here, but I found his Nuffield report really interesting and inspiring actually.



For those how haven't time to read the full report.
After a few years of working on our family farm, I noticed that some fields performed significantly better than their neighbours, even though the soil types were very similar. The histories of these fields were very different, with the better performing ones having been more recently used for growing grass and grazing livestock. In our case, we found that even after 25 years there could be as much as a 25% increase in yields in fields that had been more recently in pasture. Many farmers realise that these areas always grow the best crops, but there is a reluctance to understand why, or to try and harness those characteristics to improve the whole farm
@dontknowanything
 

Turnip

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
is out world data ,unbiased, who financially supports them?
From their website:
But keep in mind they are not the originators of the data I linked, they just created the shiny graphs based on data from other research.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
From their website:
But keep in mind they are not the originators of the data I linked, they just created the shiny graphs based on data from other research.

So their total income was from donations and grants, total £659872

Donations, £10218
Grants £649654

They are very dependent on whoever supplies the grants
 

manhill

Member
And I think we should not be in the slightest bit worried about eating too much meat, rather, eating too much sugar and refined grains. After all, it is diabetes (and other metabolic illnesses) that are killing us and will bankrupt the NHS. Refined wheat (as in white bread) causes the greatest insulin response of any food, so as a country we should cut back drastically on refined carbs, corn syrup etc and eat more veggies and meat.
I resent not being able to buy a bottle of squash without sugar in it. The rubbish 'no added sugar' sweeteners leave an after taste in my mouth so I suppose I'll stick with beer.
 

Turnip

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
So their total income was from donations and grants, total £659872

Donations, £10218
Grants £649654

They are very dependent on whoever supplies the grants
Lots of charities are, but lets not keep everyone in suspense and disclose those suppliers of grants as it is all public info.
  • CAF America Fund - this is restricted funding aimed at supporting the website development of Our World In Data.
  • Templeton World Charity Foundation - this is restricted funding aimed at publishing data entries on social connections, interpersonal relations and loneliness.
  • Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - this is unrestricted funding, which has been designated and committed for general operations support, capacity building and infrastructure development.
  • Other support funds - these are smaller restricted funds, representing a number of grants of less than £10,000.
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
I resent not being able to buy a bottle of squash without sugar in it. The rubbish 'no added sugar' sweeteners leave an after taste in my mouth so I suppose I'll stick with beer.

I've begun buying cordials, and sometimes make some. Sweeteners make me feel weird, and I don't like feeling weird when I'm responsible for people, animals, or machinery.
 

devonbeef

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon UK
Lots of charities are, but lets not keep everyone in suspense and disclose those suppliers of grants as it is all public info.
  • CAF America Fund - this is restricted funding aimed at supporting the website development of Our World In Data.
  • Templeton World Charity Foundation - this is restricted funding aimed at publishing data entries on social connections, interpersonal relations and loneliness.
  • Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - this is unrestricted funding, which has been designated and committed for general operations support, capacity building and infrastructure development.
  • Other support funds - these are smaller restricted funds, representing a number of grants of less than £10,000.
Is it noy Bill Gates saying the world should have 100% meat free diet,that sounds a bit biased if he is funding.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
I resent not being able to buy a bottle of squash without sugar in it. The rubbish 'no added sugar' sweeteners leave an after taste in my mouth so I suppose I'll stick with beer.
I believe you get an equal insulin response to sweeteners as sugar. I think you have highlighted the problem, our palates have changed so we are eating things that are not healthy for us.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
So the website linked to me comes across as a bit sensationalist so I read the text of Oregon IP13.
It should be applauded by all here as it is intended to persecute neglect, abuse, and assault on animals.

There are several sections which clearly state: Any practice of good animal husbandry is not a violation of this section. As farmers I think we would be supportive of this as maltreatment (bad animal husbandry) is not acceptable. ORS 167.310 has a list of what is included in good animal husbandry which includes the docking of horses which doesn't fall in my definition of good animal husbandry (exceptions for medical reasons possible).
Additionally there is ORS 686.030 which defines the "Acts constituting practice of veterinary medicine".
The Provisional Wing of Rewilders Vegan branch want to classify AI as rape so where do you draw the line
 

Turnip

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
The Provisional Wing of Rewilders Vegan branch want to classify AI as rape so where do you draw the line
Don't know about them lot but in this proposal by Oregon legislature isn't AI classified as a veterinary procedure which is allowed isn't it?

By the way, couldn't find a website or other info on Provisional Wing of Rewilders Vegan branch so can you provide some background to your claim?
 
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JP1

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Livestock Farmer
Don't know about them lot but in this proposal by Oregon legislature isn't AI classified as a veterinary procedure which is allowed?

By the way, couldn't find a website or other info on Provisional Wing of Rewilders Vegan branch so can you provide some background to your claim?
First read in this book

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