Mouser
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- Location
- near Belfast
Pure bile as usual, have you no shame to portray yourself as such a thicko?
Two positively sinister things, an ocean apart...
- Thread starter Danllan
- Start date
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Reminds me of the time most in this district vaccinated their stock for blue tongue. One old fellow refused to vaccinate his stock and was pleased to tell everybody afterwards that he’d been proved right as his stock didn’t succumb to the disease, not even thinking that his neighbours vaccination efforts had probably helped save his vulnerable unvaccinated stock. Anyway he’d saved a quid or two and hadn’t had to make an effort so as far as he was concerned he was a winner and we were fools.
No bile in my post. Your post on the other hand, is ……
- Location
- East Sussex
Relative safety? Could you elaborate as I'm not sure I understand?
Danllan
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- Location
- Sir Gar / Carms
No doubting he has more than his fair share, but can't see any in his earlier post; if you're sure there is please point it out, because I can't see it for looking!
Mouser
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- Location
- near Belfast
Relative safety thanks to the vaccinated? What safety are they providing? Sit beside someone on the bus, twice as likely to be infected if they are vaccinated. Vaccine protects the individual from severe disease. That's its job, seems to do it reasonably well so take it if you want and live your own life.
Charlie Gill
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- Location
- Kent
You are likely to need a 'common good' mandate each year the way things are going.
- Location
- Limousin
@Ashtree happens to be correct. There is a reasonable amount of scientific evidence that vaccinated people are far less likely to spread Covid than the unvaccinated. And to that point, I would definitely support the mandatory vaccination of certain groups, such as health and care workers who come into contact with the vulnerable.
Imagine if there had been no vaccines. Death rate would be totally off the charts. Hospitals even in the most advanced economies, would have been completely overwhelmed. Massive economic damage globally. Very many multiples of the economic damage of today.
Yes, the refuseniks have hidden behind the shield of those who took some risk to get the vaccination, which drastically slowed down the spread of Covid.
Too right.
But if you are in the miniscule minority of the unvaccinated, don't be surprised to find yourself frozen out of regular society.
- Location
- East Sussex
I think that's a questionable statement.
linga
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- Location
- Ceredigion
Whilst not disagreeing with you, we don’t actually know what might have happened. Your projection is perfectly reasonable but we don’t actually know as there has been no control group
Mouser
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- Location
- near Belfast
Could you define 'far less likely' in terms of numbers and quote the scientific papers that show those numbers for the delta variant? We've been sold a lie for 6 months, vaccination slowed spread for about 1 month after lockdown ended then cases rose steadily. But the narrative is instilled in the brain now and will be hard to shift.
linga
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- Location
- Ceredigion
Isn’t it true though that since vaccination started death rates and hospitalisations have decreased greatly.
surely that’s the important point ?
boumaticboy
Member
if they can get everyone jabbed there wont be a control group, so if for talks sake a super dooper variant came in which left the jabbed more vunerable than not jabbed then no one would know.
Mouser
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- Location
- near Belfast
Minuscule minority?
boumaticboy
Member
i find it most disheartening that down through generations mankind thinks they are much smarter and cleverer than past generations. the sad reality is that we havent learnt anything form history. Our beloved CMO mcbride came out and said get your jab and you can have your freedoms back. who gave him the right to take them in the first place. some of the comments on here about refusniks and mandates and the like are shocking. its great to have a liberal free thinking society but if you dont think the same as the media tell you then you must be frozen out of society!?
Mouser
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- Location
- near Belfast
Yes very much so, it's great so why not be content with that instead of trying to blame the failings of a shambolic health service on unvaccinated people spreading a disease that the vulnerable are vaccinated against and perfectly capable of spreading all by themselves. The NHS has been hopeless for years under extreme pressure in winter time.
- Location
- Limousin
You wouldn't be able to id solely Delta variants atm as the data is still being gathered. Vaccination will not stop you contracting Covid or passing it on. But its window of opportunity and virulence is reduced in the vaccinated.
How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?
Vaccination still greatly reduces the risk of infecting others despite the arrival of the delta variant, recent studies show
www.newscientist.com
COVID vaccines slash viral spread – but Delta is an unknown
Studies show that vaccines reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by more than 80%, but the Delta variant is creating fresh uncertainty.
www.nature.com
COVID vaccines effective but household transmission of delta a risk for 1 in 4 | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Fully vaccinated people can contract and pass on COVID-19 in the home, but at lower rates than unvaccinated people.
www.imperial.ac.uk
- Location
- Limousin
I think here in France they are saying that around 80% of all ICU beds are occupied by unvaccinated Covid sufferers.