Two positively sinister things, an ocean apart...

[primmiemoo]

Can you not see that all the reasons you've listed apply to both sides that have opposing opinions as to what extent we need to disrupt our lives for covid? Also why 'killer' virus? do you talk about killer cars, killer foods, killer alcohol, killer sunlight, killer vaccines etc? Why the dramatics? We're all going to die, we just have different opinions as to how we want to live before we do.

Do you talk about your stock with your vet like that?

OK, the human body's response to SARS-CoV-2 can be severe, which kills the victim. Where infection with the virus is not so severe, there are often long-term health issues, either from specialist treatment, or from Post Viral Fatigue. These could result in life-long problems.
The virus can kill if its host is naive (in the medical sense). But you already know that.

Before we had the effective vaccines, life had to be disr--- , but you know about that, because, like me, you understand about the needs to reduce contact, stop spread, engineer time for the health service to give treatment to those needing hospitalisation due to the effects of infection with SARS-CoV-2.

I take it on trust that you have no leanings towards anarchy, or any of that malarkey

 

[Guleesh]

Do you talk about your stock with your vet like that?

OK, the human body's response to SARS-CoV-2 can be severe, which kills the victim. Where infection with the virus is not so severe, there are often long-term health issues, either from specialist treatment, or from Post Viral Fatigue. These could result in life-long problems.
The virus can kill if its host is naive (in the medical sense). But you already know that.

Before we had the effective vaccines, life had to be disr--- , but you know about that, because, like me, you understand about the needs to reduce contact, stop spread, engineer time for the health service to give treatment to those needing hospitalisation due to the effects of infection with SARS-CoV-2.

I take it on trust that you have no leanings towards anarchy, or any of that malarkey

You're not the first to use it but I find the livestock analogy an odd one. I personally value human life and human rights over that of livestock.

Well ok, it's a killer virus. But I think you should use the term killer vaccines too for balance.

I have a young family and want nothing more than for the world to pull out of what I perceive to be some kind of mass psychosis and return back to something resembling sanity, I certainly do not wish to see anarchy. I take it on trust that you have no leanings to totalitarianism, or any of that malarkey??

 

[ollie989898]

I wouldn't describe it as a killer virus. It's CFR is very very low. It's not ebola.

 

[stroller]

I wouldn't describe it as a killer virus. It's CFR is very very low. It's not ebola.

So why the push for vaccination, it's almost like Boris has been hauled into the office and told by his superiors that he'd better get the vaccination rate up or else.

 

[ollie989898]

So why the push for vaccination, it's almost like Boris has been hauled into the office and told by his superiors that he'd better get the vaccination rate up or else.

We've been here before and I've lost count of the times I have written it.

What you have is a virus that is pretty contagious. And it also has the ability to put a lot of people in hospital. There is only so much ITU capacity in the UK and if you have a virus that can infect 50,000 people a day, the law of statistics says that you will begin to get people seriously ill with the virus because they are old or have pre-existing conditions.

Vaccination does seem to be keeping people out of hospital if the Lancet article I posted is anything to go by.

What the government are trying to avoid is a situation where people are dying because there is no more ITU capacity or ventilators and the like. The NHS struggles in some areas in an average winter with the flu and pneumonia. Covid is way more infectious than these.

It would be political dynamite when the NHS reached a stage were folk were being taken off ventilators and left to die in a corridor somewhere. This is what they panicked about initially hence the idea of the big nightingale hospitals which would have been for 18-60 year olds with no existing conditions only- people who would have been a lot less problematic to treat and care for. Doing this would have freed up capacity for the older and people with pre-existing conditions.

 

[Guleesh]

We've been here before and I've lost count of the times I have written it.

What you have is a virus that is pretty contagious. And it also has the ability to put a lot of people in hospital. There is only so much ITU capacity in the UK and if you have a virus that can infect 50,000 people a day, the law of statistics says that you will begin to get people seriously ill with the virus because they are old or have pre-existing conditions.

Vaccination does seem to be keeping people out of hospital if the Lancet article I posted is anything to go by.

What the government are trying to avoid is a situation where people are dying because there is no more ITU capacity or ventilators and the like. The NHS struggles in some areas in an average winter with the flu and pneumonia. Covid is way more infectious than these.

It would be political dynamite when the NHS reached a stage were folk were being taken off ventilators and left to die in a corridor somewhere. This is what they panicked about initially hence the idea of the big nightingale hospitals which would have been for 18-60 year olds with no existing conditions only- people who would have been a lot less problematic to treat and care for. Doing this would have freed up capacity for the older and people with pre-existing conditions.

It's going to happen sooner or later, the NHS has been slowly dying for some time now. That's where scapegoating the unvaccinated comes in to play.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

So why the push for vaccination, it's almost like Boris has been hauled into the office and told by his superiors that he'd better get the vaccination rate up or else.

Combine the "need to be seen to be doing something" with public sector inertia, add a fair sprinkling of vested interests (from the NHS using it to extract more money from the Treasury to Pharma that likes seeing it's share prices go up. From academics enjoying their moment in the media to the petty little bureaucrats that get a stiffy when ordering the public around) and we have what we have. An A grade, vitamin-enriched, full-bore, sh1tshow.

 

[essex man]

So why the push for vaccination, it's almost like Boris has been hauled into the office and told by his superiors that he'd better get the vaccination rate up or else.

Getting people vaccinated is popular!
Discriminating against the Unvaccinated is popular.
They can't afford a paid lockdown so pretending the new variant is a big problem and getting some sort of "boosters for all to save us" spirit is his best hope.
Plus more masks as they are always popular...only if mandatory obvsly.
Is that two TV appearances in a week? must be wartime again!
I've not heard him say a word since this started, I hope it was good for all you who do as you're told.

 

[primmiemoo]

You're not the first to use it but I find the livestock analogy an odd one. I personally value human life and human rights over that of livestock.

Well ok, it's a killer virus. But I think you should use the term killer vaccines too for balance.

I have a young family and want nothing more than for the world to pull out of what I perceive to be some kind of mass psychosis and return back to something resembling sanity, I certainly do not wish to see anarchy. I take it on trust that you have no leanings to totalitarianism, or any of that malarkey??

Please be assured that my comment about leanings was not intended towards you personally. And, since you ask, I'm closer to a wishy-washy liberal (witha small l) who gets concerned when extremists are around.

My comparison with livestock wasn't to do with "rights" ~ just wondering how veterinary advice would be taken in a parallel situation. Imagine if we could have vaccinated against FMD.

I agree with you that the end of the pandemic and the measures we've experienced because of it can't come soon enough. The mention of anarchy was in the context of my train of thought about the origins and drivers of misinformation and disinformation about the vaccines. Some weirdos out there.

 

[primmiemoo]

I wouldn't describe it as a killer virus. It's CFR is very very low. It's not ebola.

Point taken. It's just the body's response to it that can kill.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Any bets on it being implemented in April?

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