glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Better than tight cash flow at harvest time with deisel and wages up by loads
BPS early ?
- Thread starter Jon 3085
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- Location
- Essex
Farmers not being able to make a profit as you put it, is hardly the fault of government. That's British Leyland territory.
Rather than needing more handouts just because we've always had them, isn't now a good time (after several years' notice) to focus on farm profitability in the absence of such handouts?
- Location
- Northumberland
I think that’s what the Govt is just starting to get worried about; farmers re-appraising their activities in the light of increased costs and reduced “handouts”, and scaling things back dramatically in the hope that that will result in the best profitability for their farms.
The populace will remain reasonably happy so long as they have a roof over their heads, some heating and some food in their bellies. All of those things are set to become massively more expensive yet. No wonder that Govt is starting to worry about the implications of all of this.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Govt sets the parameters for profitability in most things
Govt allowed supermarkets a monopoly position on foods and denied farmers any right to co operate as in mmb destruction.
They deny tenants decent long leases, and pay massive sums to the aristocracy and the new version dyson etc
Govt is in it up to to the kneck
- Location
- S.E
We are all missing the point here IMO. Im hoping this move signals future intentions, and is exactly what we as an industry need. Instead of asking for more money (no one wants to rely on subsidies) the government has come up with an alternative way to ease the pain. Its not their fault or indeed their problem (until food shortages) that inputs are where they are and that the nations farmers are straining, what they are doing is supporting farmers in the right way this time.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Not much help to me, not many houses of the type that i want available, and they have all got very expensive,
- Location
- Devon
You are having a laugh.....
The government have promised we will have the highest standards in the world= the highest costs
They have banned live exports
They have banned use of urea
They have introduced new water standards requiring massive investment for many
They have introduced extra expense in transport
They have restricted the use of red diesel
They have introduced sentient animal legislation with extensive consequences
They are phasing out BPS
They have made 2/3rds of the environment budget unobtainable for the average farmer
They have introduced environmental payments that allow NGO's to drive up rents.
All this while insisting we must compete with the lowest cost/ standard produce in the world.
But yes, they have decided they might give you half of your reduced payment, 4 months early.
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- Location
- Essex
Just opened up the Anglia Farmer.
Editorial about ag inflation running at 24% in the last 6 months. Food prices have meanwhile increased by 5.6%. Over the last 18 months ag inflation has been 46%!!!
It's clear that farmers, with the sums involved need to be very very careful with their spending. Never mind the cost of living crisis.
Editorial about ag inflation running at 24% in the last 6 months. Food prices have meanwhile increased by 5.6%. Over the last 18 months ag inflation has been 46%!!!
It's clear that farmers, with the sums involved need to be very very careful with their spending. Never mind the cost of living crisis.
Many farmers have diversified into non ag areas, if we all focus on farm profitability then many might say sod farming and rely on the income from other activities which require far less financial input and risk, if that happens then food supplies could well shrink to a level that make the public start to get concerned, no government can allow that, even the idiots at defra must see the risk if we stop growing stuff
- Location
- Essex
So then what? Food prices rise to a level that farmers can afford to trade at, or compulsory intensification and subsidised output (again).
I just think govt and the public have wanted to end subsidies for so long, that there will be a marked resistance to starting them up all over again.
Ceri
Member
Well said.
Ceri
Member
Pay more for the food then simples. I'm well up 4 it I've always said scrap subsidies & double the price of food. No more pack of 6 pork pies for 12p.......
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Haha , wait till the shelves are empty and the ration cards drop through the door
The time when people actually accept that food is more important than buying a new phone every six months may well be coming. It's quite possible to feed a family for a reasonable amount as long as you buy the ingredients and let's face it most of us could do with actually eating less, the problem is people winge and moan and expect the government to fix things, that is just delaying the inevitable
- Location
- Essex
I'm sorry but you've got that wrong.
Which bit
- Location
- Essex
It's spelt whinge, you said winge.
Sorry couldn't resist. I absolutely agree with what you said.
Oops yes just shows men cant watch telly and type
The Seeker
Member
Yep and the gov will blame putin
- Location
- Devon
I agree with your sentiment completely but I think it has to be understood that a mobile phone is pretty much as important as food in many ways, today.
How can you work, bank, and ultimately feed yourself without one, especially if you are homeless.
I bet there are a huge number of people who would put paying their monthly phone bill as the top priority.
The fact that all refugees seem to have them is proof of how essential they are, not that they have money to burn.