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sjt01

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Mixed Farmer
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ollie989898 said:
Any harm done to the engine itself? Could have run away no? Any pictures of the unit itself, I'm sure TFF loves machine porn as much as I do.
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This was the unit when new, the turbo is hidden in lagging behind the orange post. It is a 12 litre straight 6 MAN on a 170kW alternator with an exhaust heat exchanger, doing just under 200kW heat.
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Ploughmaster

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JP1 said:
www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk

Department of Transport consults on making tractor drivers take HGV licence test

MOVES ARE afoot to bring the licence requirements for driving a tractor on the road into line with the heavy goods vehicles regime.
www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk
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(perhaps that ought to be in its own thread - it isn't really a topic for the 'wreckers' thread)

These sort of changes have been on the cards for a long time. Almost certainly a consequence of the continuing attitude among many farm businesses that they can continue breaking the law by using trailers in excess of the permitted 18290kg gross weight, and combinations which exceed the permitted 31000kg MAM for an agricultural tractor and trailer.

No doubt the DoT are being pressured by the road haulage industry (successive Governments have shown time and time again that they are terrified of the haulage industry) - the increase in the speed limit for a lone agricultural tractor and agricultural tractors and trailers to 25mph only happened when the road haulage industry was permitted to travel at 50mph instead of 40mph on ordinary (non-dual cariageway) roads. The same farms seem to think that only applies to other farms too from the number of tractors I follow travelling at over 30mph (and often carrying or towing an implement which means they should be sticking to 20mph - the 25mph limit is restricted to lone tractors and agricultural tractors towing a trailer only).

You can expect alot more tightening of the rules covering tractors on the road in the future I think.
 
PSQ

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
Ploughmaster said:
(perhaps that ought to be in its own thread - it isn't really a topic for the 'wreckers' thread)

These sort of changes have been on the cards for a long time. Almost certainly a consequence of the continuing attitude among many farm businesses that they can continue breaking the law by using trailers in excess of the permitted 18290kg gross weight, and combinations which exceed the permitted 31000kg MAM for an agricultural tractor and trailer.

No doubt the DoT are being pressured by the road haulage industry (successive Governments have shown time and time again that they are terrified of the haulage industry) - the increase in the speed limit for a lone agricultural tractor and agricultural tractors and trailers to 25mph only happened when the road haulage industry was permitted to travel at 50mph instead of 40mph on ordinary (non-dual cariageway) roads. The same farms seem to think that only applies to other farms too from the number of tractors I follow travelling at over 30mph (and often carrying or towing an implement which means they should be sticking to 20mph - the 25mph limit is restricted to lone tractors and agricultural tractors towing a trailer only).

You can expect alot more tightening of the rules covering tractors on the road in the future I think.
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Enforcing higher standards would be a welcome move, if it means we move away from 1980's appropriate size, weight and speed restrictions, and get rid of the worst of the unsafe crap currently used for ag haulage.

If it formalises safe standards then it might also bite hauliers on the arse, as farms legitimise their haulage to mills and end users within the letter of the (modernised) law.
 
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Werzle

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Alot of these modern corn and silage trailers on floatation tyres are way to big/wide for ordinary roads, followed a maize trailer the other night and the only time it kept inside the white line was when there was oncoming traffic and then it had to ride the verges. Maize spilling over the sides and two beacons flashing like a fairground ride to warn other road users and idiots coming flat out. It doesnt do farmings image any good
 
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Ploughmaster

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@PSQ

Don't think it will work like that. Most of the equipment currently used (indeed, most of what is currently being built) for agricultural road haulage would very likely be deemed inadequate to pass a similar standard of approval and safety testing to that applied to HGVs.

The costs involved to farmers of complying with legislation on a par to that which the road haulage industry is currently subjected to would in all probability make farmers doing their own haulage by tractor and trailer to mills etc. economically unviable (and that is without the amount of time they would then have to spend doing the paperwork and recording that would be required).
 
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fieldfarmer

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Ploughmaster said:
@PSQ

Don't think it will work like that. Most of the equipment currently used (indeed, most of what is currently being built) for agricultural road haulage would very likely be deemed inadequate to pass a similar standard of approval and safety testing to that applied to HGVs.

The costs involved to farmers of complying with legislation on a par to that which the road haulage industry is currently subjected to would in all probability make farmers doing their own haulage by tractor and trailer to mills etc. economically unviable (and that is without the amount of time they would then have to spend doing the paperwork and recording that would be required).
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Well if the farmer has to comply I reckon he will probably do more haulage to justify and spread the incurred costs rather then less.
 
PSQ

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
Ploughmaster said:
@PSQ

Don't think it will work like that. Most of the equipment currently used (indeed, most of what is currently being built) for agricultural road haulage would very likely be deemed inadequate to pass a similar standard of approval and safety testing to that applied to HGVs.

The costs involved to farmers of complying with legislation on a par to that which the road haulage industry is currently subjected to would in all probability make farmers doing their own haulage by tractor and trailer to mills etc. economically unviable (and that is without the amount of time they would then have to spend doing the paperwork and recording that would be required).
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If we have to have the same boxes ticked to cart off the combine as Stobbarts have to tick to haul the length of the country, then reluctantly, so be it.
It’s not as if carting is optional, it’s a fundamental part of the job.
 
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Ploughmaster

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fieldfarmer said:
Well if the farmer has to comply I reckon he will probably do more haulage to justify and spread the incurred costs rather then less.
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If the farmer was going to do any amount of extra haulage (beyond his own produce), he would almost certainly just buy a lorry anyway - agricultural tractor and trailer is likely to be more costly to run on haulage than a lorry would be.

On top of that, hauling the farms own inputs and produce would only require a Restricted operators licence, but to haul for hire and reward would mean having a Standard O licence, which would be more expensive and will require you to have a CPC qualified transport manager.

It would be interesting to see how they would define the standards for an agricultural tractor to come under HGV regulations - at present (I think I am right in saying) the only agricultural 'tractor' that is capable of complying with the current HGV 'Construction and Use' regulations is a Unimog.
 
Two Tone

Two Tone

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Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
JP1 said:
www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk

Department of Transport consults on making tractor drivers take HGV licence test

MOVES ARE afoot to bring the licence requirements for driving a tractor on the road into line with the heavy goods vehicles regime.
www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk
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I took my HGV class 1 in my mid 20’s and I have to say that it has stood me in very good stead driving high speed tractors and large grain trailers ever since.
I haul most of our wheat to a local feed mill with a Fastrac and trailer. Things like (double) ‘Laning’ procedure to stop car trying to come up the inside at Roundabouts come in very handy as well as knowing how to use air-brakes properly.
Anticipation of the right gear when approaching roundabouts and using brakes and/or gears to slow down when approaching roundabouts or traffic light (depending on which colour they are) makes a hell of a difference when you have a heavy load on behind and don’t want to lose speed momentum unless you really have to.
The art of making oncoming car drivers position their vehicles where you want them, without them realising it is very satisfying!
 

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