River Lugg, Herefordshire

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Hilly

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I’m not so sure.
If you were facing fines and costs of that magnitude then I think you would engage Solicitors who would do more than just plead guilty against a statutory authority.

There is something a bit strange about all of this.
John Price could not plead innocent to the fact that he carried the work out. But there are various elements of the charges he could have pleaded innocent to or guilty, but with mitigating circumstances.
Yet he didn’t! Or he and his team didn’t push it as hard as they could have.

He was quite happy, if not proud to be photographed by the bridge in front of the work he carried out, the river and its banks have recovered and will recover far more so in the near future.

John had a massive sale of machinery, which was undoubtedly to fund his costs and fines he knew would result from the case. Including, you would have thought, hiring a ‘top notch’ legal team.

But something tells me that there is strong likelihood that John deliberately knew that this was likely to happen and it’s like a giant master plan he has had all along.
At 68, he’s hardly likely to end up in a cat1 prison. More likely an open prison from which he will be home each weekend, just like Geoffrey Archer was.

Is it all a plan for John to eventually have the last laugh and show or prove that EA and NE are in fact completely wrong?

Something about it all suggests there is some planning behind this. More so than John just martyring himself.
I agree with you.
 

lloyd

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Herefordshire
Water companies far too well connected politically. They aren't daft.
That is why the general public need to force change .
Get enough people on side with a loud ,coherent voice and the political
sides would be scared not to take notice.
If JP can get 12k signatures surely one questioning water companies ethics
can easily reach a petition with over 100k .
 
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lloyd

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Herefordshire

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
The reason Labour,Lib dems and the Greens didn't vote for it
is the Conservatives will just let the water companies carry
on polluting with high discharge rates and difficulty bringing criminal charges against them.
This government is an utter disgrace to agricultural and the enviroment.
You do have to remember who creates the s**t that the water companies have to dispose of!
not one new building should be allowed until water company certifies that they can dispose of the waste.
we as a society have created a situation where we are trying to treat our waste, butr have diluted it to 99% clean water. Thec system ios completely flooded, literally
 

robs1

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The reason Labour,Lib dems and the Greens didn't vote for it
is the Conservatives will just let the water companies carry
on polluting with high discharge rates and difficulty bringing criminal charges against them.
This government is an utter disgrace to agricultural and the enviroment.
Yes the Tories should be doing more to stop these discharges but the Labour party could have done so during their years in power, the EA have the powers to stop it if they want and if those powers are sufficient then they need to make a lot of fuss until they are, it's just lip service a bit like net zero but encouraging flying
 

lloyd

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Herefordshire
You do have to remember who creates the s**t that the water companies have to dispose of!
not one new building should be allowed until water company certifies that they can dispose of the waste.
we as a society have created a situation where we are trying to treat our waste, butr have diluted it to 99% clean water. Thec system ios completely flooded, literally
Yes i agree although some of the water companies have been making
astronomical profits .Have they really spent enough on solutions and new technologies when a cheap alternative was far too easily available?
 

lloyd

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Herefordshire
Yes the Tories should be doing more to stop these discharges but the Labour party could have done so during their years in power, the EA have the powers to stop it if they want and if those powers are sufficient then they need to make a lot of fuss until they are, it's just lip service a bit like net zero but encouraging flying
The Conservatives have been in power around 13 years that is long
enough to get a grip of the situation.The EA have to work with the legislation
passed down to them.
 

robs1

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The Conservatives have been in power around 13 years that is long
enough to get a grip of the situation.The EA have to work with the legislation
passed down to them.
Dont disagree but labour were in that long and liberals for one term, did either do a thing ? No and if the powers aren't enough then the EA should be making more noise and shaming the government to change them
 

Timbo

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Gods County
Us lot with old septic tanks in the middle of the yard /the size of a house like here are way ahead of the game on this eco sh!t 😇😇😇
Tongue in cheek maybe, but sadly the majority of old septic tanks are both undersized for today's living standards and unable to process what is now fed to them, yet still often empty out "somewhere" or through a soakaway thats too small..
 

lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
make everyone have a composting crapper in their garden! And to run a composting crapper!
We've got 3 air flow systems on this property alone.(I know they're not the same as a composting crapper but planning rules dictate).
The air flow systems seem to take up fairly large areas and are quite expensive to install
so in an urban enviroment where space is limited might not be a very attractive option.
Perhaps purchase taxes on man made products which are likey to enter the system?
The money raised could be spent on more advanced filtration technologies ,upgrading
treatment plants along with more accurate and frequent monitoring of pollutants entering the waterways.
 

serf

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Location
warwickshire
Tongue in cheek maybe, but sadly the majority of old septic tanks are both undersized for today's living standards and unable to process what is now fed to them, yet still often empty out "somewhere" or through a soakaway thats too small..
Must be lucky here then , this one can walk round in it when it has a good clean out rain water goes in and straight through into an open sediment area ditch dug out occasionally and Peckham spring out the end of that ...

Not done the quality control test on that yet though.....
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Dad reckoned that the old chap that used to go round with the horse and putt and shovel out the pit toilets would sit on the edge of the pit to eat his sandwiches,
no idea what killed him in the end
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
Dad reckoned that the old chap that used to go round with the horse and putt and shovel out the pit toilets would sit on the edge of the pit to eat his sandwiches,
no idea what killed him in the end
Wec uswed to take sewage sludge before we grew veg one day went past the gand at lunch time and they were standing around eating their sarnies. I had a word with them an said there was no way i could be doing that in the middle of all this c**p one said for the first six seeks on the job he had permanent diarrhoea but since then he had no issues o_O
 
Used to see ramblers helping themselves to the tomatoes growing on the cake heaps during summer. Of course, being nicely dark in colour it always heated up nicely in the sun and must have been an open-air grow bag for tomatoes. I never did have the heart to stop and tell them what they were growing in. I never found the smell that bothersome, seemed to smell mostly of washing powder to me.
 
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