Warburtons Contract

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
The difference between Frontier and Openfield regarding Warburtons is that with Frontier you buy seed at least £35 tonne overpriced, with Openfield you just bought their seed at the prevailing price. I will not be renewing the contract at the end of the 3 years.
Warbutons were also very slow to offer to increase the premium terms, and only after I mentioned it on 2 separate webinars/virtual meetings. What puzzled me was why out of 60 odd growers on the call I was the only one moaning about the premium. Others obviously happy to be shafted at both ends.
I'll let the Frontier lovies supply Warburtons in future.
You wonder whether the premium from Warburtons somehow gets "held up" on its way back to the farmer.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Used to grow for Openfield but got fed up with buying their expensive seed and no Nufol allowed, even with the 12.5 protein contract we used to struggle with this, it was Hereward that the initial contracts were grown on and that would do the protein ok, anything higher yielding was a stretch given good yields without nufol
( although everyone used to apply it anyway )
Could normally get as a good or better premium off our own backs without any hassle
Is Hereward still grown and what problems does it have?
 

Badshot

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Location
Kent
I believe they moved to frontier because they wanted a company that would supply the imported wheat too.
Open-field don't import .
Never used nufol, just stuck 300kg n from urea mainly, with some liquid AS for the Sulphur. Often made in excess of 13, average probably about the 12.5 required. Yielding 10 - 12.5t/ha Crusoe and Skyfall.
I did like it, but not with frontier.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Won’t do it because I refuse to buy new treated seed from frontier for absolutely ZERO reason, it is unjustifiable and they know well my thoughts on it. Sadly though plenty of farmers won’t even think twice on it so it would make no difference to them at all.
 
Would never by frontier seed on any circumstances anymore. I bought some off them a few years back when I couldn't get the variety I wanted elsewhere. It looked like it was only fit for hen feed and contained a more than a few seeds of black grass. Looking at some of their seed farms on the wolds later that year I wasn't totally surprised
 

DieselRob

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BASE UK Member
Location
North Yorkshire
Would never by frontier seed on any circumstances anymore. I bought some off them a few years back when I couldn't get the variety I wanted elsewhere. It looked like it was only fit for hen feed and contained a more than a few seeds of black grass. Looking at some of their seed farms on the wolds later that year I wasn't totally surprised

I was told the premium cost of seed was because they had installed some fancy cleaner to remove all weed seeds blah blah blah!
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
I think I will put in a state of the art grain drying and cleaning system, then charge the merchants a £30t premium as they are getting a better quality product, even if they never asked for it. 🤷

I've been told by the contracting merchant that Quaker Oats don't have any grain cleaning machinery in their factory whatsoever, which I find utterly bizarre.
It is up to the grower to guarantee that the oats are completely free of any OSR contamination. If they find one OSR seed in the bulk then the load will be rejected, because it can be mistaken for a mouse dropping in the finished product.
You'd think they would have machinery that could grade it out, sieves, gravity bed separators or colour sorters, but apparently not. And as I grow OSR it's a risk I can't afford to take.
 

e3120

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
I've been told by the contracting merchant that Quaker Oats don't have any grain cleaning machinery in their factory whatsoever, which I find utterly bizarre.
It is up to the grower to guarantee that the oats are completely free of any OSR contamination. If they find one OSR seed in the bulk then the load will be rejected, because it can be mistaken for a mouse dropping in the finished product.
You'd think they would have machinery that could grade it out, sieves, gravity bed separators or colour sorters, but apparently not. And as I grow OSR it's a risk I can't afford to take.
The more local oat processor definitely must have. If I get a load of 'small and light oats' to try to bruise, there's plenty of osr left on the floor/in the dung.

I do wonder what they do on all those sunny days when the reps are 'out rouging'.
 

Banana Bar

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bury St Edmunds
I've been told by the contracting merchant that Quaker Oats don't have any grain cleaning machinery in their factory whatsoever, which I find utterly bizarre.
It is up to the grower to guarantee that the oats are completely free of any OSR contamination. If they find one OSR seed in the bulk then the load will be rejected, because it can be mistaken for a mouse dropping in the finished product.
You'd think they would have machinery that could grade it out, sieves, gravity bed separators or colour sorters, but apparently not. And as I grow OSR it's a risk I can't afford to take.
They need to be talking to the new Navara oat plant in Northampto shire, apparently can supply whatever oat product you want. 👌👊
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
They need to be talking to the new Navara oat plant in Northampto shire, apparently can supply whatever oat product you want. 👌👊

The 280 miles of haulage might be a problem. But oats apparently do go from this area to Morn at Crewe, which is 230 miles.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I've been told by the contracting merchant that Quaker Oats don't have any grain cleaning machinery in their factory whatsoever, which I find utterly bizarre.
It is up to the grower to guarantee that the oats are completely free of any OSR contamination. If they find one OSR seed in the bulk then the load will be rejected, because it can be mistaken for a mouse dropping in the finished product.
You'd think they would have machinery that could grade it out, sieves, gravity bed separators or colour sorters, but apparently not. And as I grow OSR it's a risk I can't afford to take.
Any cleaning gear at the merchant's oat store at Meldon? Mine used to go there as we dare not put them through our plant to mitigate the osr contamination risk.
 

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