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Nice to see us back in the Horizon project, a step forward after our brief escape from progress.
Remoaners / rejoiners aren't all honest, and many are afraid to answer awkward questions...
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essex man
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Yes, they leave because they are fed up with not being nation states within the eu.
We only got a referendum because the politicians thought they would win it.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas
Unlikely will ever be another in the eu.
I've not seen that and it'd be a treaty change so unlikely to be quietly done.
linga
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Indeed
Danllan
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That's a classic, I had to do a double take on that because at first I couldn't believe you were writing that the safest way to ensure nation statehood is ability to leave the EU, but it seems you did.
However, I haven't disputed or questioned such a proposition, in fact I raised it often during the Referendum debate. Glad we agree on it.
I know it's a bit of a double-edged sword for you fellows - made very clear by what you have just written - but the fact is... I asked about the safety within the EU.
And that is precisely what you haven't responded too...Well it follows logically... the nation state can voluntarily decide to share services with other EU countries. Or it can choose not to. It's obvious that joining any grouping means you share some level of responsibilities else what is the point of the group existing?That's a classic, I had to do a double take on that because at first I couldn't believe you were writing that the safest way to ensure nation statehood is ability to leave the EU, but it seems you did.
However, I haven't disputed or questioned such a proposition, in fact I raised it often during the Referendum debate. Glad we agree on it.
I know it's a bit of a double-edged sword for you fellows - made very clear by what you have just written - but the fact is... I asked about the safety within the EU.
caveman
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You mean like forces from other EU "sovereign states" putting down protest in parts of "sovereign Spain"?
What happened?
essex man
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I don't think you understand.
Decisions are made on a supranational level in the eu, there is a level of democracy in those decisions but it is democracy based on the whole of the eu as an entity.
It's fine if you are happy for uk to exist at the democratic level in the eu of say essex within the uk.
If you not happy for that then you vote to leave.
Danllan
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Hmm... yet I asked about safety within the EU and, again, you haven't responded to that.
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So should we now leave NATO then ??
I'm pretty sure decisions are made at at a supernational level, so that must be bad then ??
Time for Farage to get the band together or at least the bus,
Just Leave NATO.
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I'm sure I'll live to regret this but what the feck are you meaning by safety ??
Were we not safe before but just had to do joint decision making I'd say, somehow Brexiteers couldn't comprehend that concept.
My honest question to you if Brexit is so good why do you and other Brexiteers keep having to defend it ??
essex man
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It's not "bad", it's just whether there is democratic support for this.
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- Aberdeenshire
I'm not sure how GB news is going to spin this backtracking ??
I thought we were done with experts anyway
Maybe they can say that John Foreigner couldn't cope without us
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Clearly it means I think nation states remain intact - I guess that is the same as 'safe'? Can you kill something which is not alive?
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Never mind GB News, reckon our Rishi has another day of crisis management ahead.I'm not sure how GB news is going to spin this backtracking ??
I thought we were done with experts anyway
Maybe they can say that John Foreigner couldn't cope without us
At least he's coming around to co operating with the EU.
One of his minions was spinning on R4 this morning that it was Brussel's fault we left since they were peed off over some aspect of the Irish protocol.
"Spinning" generally implies trying to make lies sound credible, or at very least trying to distort the truth.
Whereas in this case, that seems a pretty sound assessment.
'Bespoke' Brexit deal signed off as UK to rejoin EU's £85bn Horizon science scheme
The UK is to return to the European Union’s £85 billion Horizon science research programme following months of negotiations.
www.cityam.com
"Britain continued to participate under the post-Brexit trade deal brokered with Brussels but was frozen out in a tit-for-tat retaliation in a dispute over Northern Ireland arrangements."
Indeed, even in the final stages of the negotiations to rejoin, the EU was still being typically bloody-minded by insisting that the UK should have to pay for the two years that they weren't even in it!
They really are a horrible shower of sh1t and why any decent ordinary working citizen of the UK wants to cling on to them is totally beyond me!
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Its a pity to hear that, post Brexit, any overseas scientists will still have to apply for a visa to work on Horizon projects in the UK and, in some cases, their families will not be allowed to join them.
essex man
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Why?