Red Tractor to launch new basic standard for combinable crops

willyorkshire

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Copied from the above doc and in several places only refers to min standard legal requirements. Nothing about RT goldplating.

How do supply chain purchasers guarantee that grain is fit for purpose?​

In the UK, the Red Tractor combinable crops and sugar beet assurance standards (and other schemes) annually audit farmers on a risk based/due diligence approach. This allows farmers to display to supply chains that farm grain is compliant to meet the domestic legal obligations under food and feed safety and associated codes of practice.
 

Old apprentice

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From talking to a friend who has some involvement in trading grain internationally this is my understanding.

As a boat is loaded a sample is taken at least every 200t. So for a 60,000t vessel that’s 300 samples.

A sub-sample is then drawn from each of the 300 samples and mixed together and sent off for testing. (It was indicated that it might not be unheard of for samples to be sent to several different labs and the most favorable set of results cherry picked.)

Tests include, dioxins, pesticide residues, PCBs, PAHs Heavy metals and mycotoxins for cereals. And all of the above plus salmonella for oilseeds.

A copy of those results are sent to the end user when they purchase a tonnage from that vessel. It is then up to the end user to decide what level of testing they wish to undertake at their intake.
On that note how will any bulk sample fail.?
 
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Badshot

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Kent
To be frank the folks loading a boat in Canada won't want it sent back, they'll make sure it's in spec, but as for all this traceability bollix, it's unlikely to be very traceable at all.
Bit like the central stores here, once your grain goes into a 5000 tonne bin, it's lost, it's in that bulk, but the 28 tonne going out under your account is very, very unlikely to be yours.
 

tullah

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Linconshire
Boat results coming in and out are tested for the same as ours, kg/hl, moisture, protein, admix, these results are kept for 3 months. I don't know if imported is tested for anything else like pesticide residues, I believe someone has to sign it off as being produced for human consumption or similar. That however is likely nothing more than a signature (or key stroke nowadays) that leads back to nowhere.
Perhaps we can get some of the resident merchants to comment on this?
Yet I thought we had to keep similar RT records for 7 years. That's odd.
 

carbonfibre farmer

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This is dressed up as being a "good thing".

I've slept on it and mulled it over.

I remember a post from a while ago quoting how many farmers and amount of grain in the RT system and who many and how much wasn't (think it was something @Clive said a couple of years ago)

There were far more out than in......

Nothing to do with them giving us an easier option or making markets more accessible.

It's about control.

Getting everybody "in"

Dressed up as a plus for us 🙄

What's the king spin Doctor, Peter Mandleson up to these days 🤔

They as a business, are trying to increase control/market share/subs. Which is what any business that wants to get bigger would do.....
 

slackjawedyokel

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Are rt now getting rattled because the people they are sucking easy money for nothing from, are starting to see the light.?
I suppose it just goes to show what influence BRC has on RT (and what a poor job NFU and AHDB have done representing our interests); RT could have simply sat with the same standards for over 20 years and us, their customers, would be more or less happy (or at least not raising a mob with flaming torches and pitchforks).

Or maybe it’s the ‘corporate effect’. The MD and board can’t really justify having all the separate groups working for them looking at standards and reporting back, and they can’t justify their high remuneration if at each meeting they always decide “Naa, the standards are fine-leave them as is”. They have to FEEL like they are justifying their existence by making a change hence the yearly ratcheting up of standards.

Either way or both, it stinks and must be dismantled- no simply allowing RT to hit the reset button and start again- we know how that WILL go!
 

tullah

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Linconshire
From talking to a friend who has some involvement in trading grain internationally this is my understanding.

As a boat is loaded a sample is taken at least every 200t. So for a 60,000t vessel that’s 300 samples.

A sub-sample is then drawn from each of the 300 samples and mixed together and sent off for testing. (It was indicated that it might not be unheard of for samples to be sent to several different labs and the most favorable set of results cherry picked.)

Tests include, dioxins, pesticide residues, PCBs, PAHs Heavy metals and mycotoxins for cereals. And all of the above plus salmonella for oilseeds.

A copy of those results are sent to the end user when they purchase a tonna
It's about the fees.
Directors fees so they can continue to tell us RT doesn't make a profit. What a scam.
 

The_Swede

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I asked for quotes from a testing lab, initially they quoted £700.
But when I said it needed to be valid for international trade they said that they would need to use different test methods to comply with those standards and quoted in the region of £1000. I think a little under half of that cost was for the dioxin test alone.

That would have been early 2022 I got those quotes.

Lots of information available here

 

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tullah

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Linconshire
I suppose it just goes to show what influence BRC has on RT (and what a poor job NFU and AHDB have done representing our interests); RT could have simply sat with the same standards for over 20 years and us, their customers, would be more or less happy (or at least not raising a mob with flaming torches and pitchforks).

Or maybe it’s the ‘corporate effect’. The MD and board can’t really justify having all the separate groups working for them looking at standards and reporting back, and they can’t justify their high remuneration if at each meeting they always decide “Naa, the standards are fine-leave them as is”. They have to FEEL like they are justifying their existence by making a change hence the yearly ratcheting up of standards.

Either way or both, it stinks and must be dismantled- no simply allowing RT to hit the reset button and start again- we know how that WILL go!
And every pointless meeting these rogues convene is for the purpose to continue to ramp up their out of pocket expenses etc. Don't need a meeting ....they're all corrupt and the racket of RT and all of them should be binned. Non Farming Union are complicit in all this praising RT at every opportunity and there are still some that support this union.
It's up to us farmers to do something about it.
 

steveR

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B'o'B

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Rutland
Practical interpretation I don’t know, someone could ask them I suppose? As read it doesn’t indicate Dioxins being a routine (expensive) test parameter though
From memory I think if the gatekeepers hazard analysis shows there is little risk of dioxin issues then that test is not needed. ie the grain hasn’t been dried.
Same with the other tests.

In Red Tractor we all record that our grain driers have been serviced and checked, so the risk of dioxin contamination is low, therefore no need for a dioxin test
 
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