GFC disgrace: Here's what NFU, AHDB and RT have signed us up for

Grass And Grain · Dec 7, 2023

Levy Believer said:
I understand we have made many of those points directly at the Ownership body and on the Main Board.

In fact we have been making these points within RT for more than 2 years.

We are also scoping out a fundamental independent review of the whole of assurance in the UK, and C&O is conducting a specific study into the requirements for assurance in grain markets from all sources (RT, SQC, NI and imports) and how these are met. This study will help inform the wider review of assurance in general.

On regard to the grain imports research...

David E went through it with me at York, researching what the import/trade assurance requirements are.

Afterwards I realised he'd said nothing about finding out actual data.

I emailed David the other day and said we thought it imperative that a good amount of actual lab test data is collated.

Think it's EFISC-GTP which has a little clause in it which says the grain doesn't need any expensive lab tests if the destination mill has its own sampling point and intake procedures.

Could the proposed blueprint be extended to get actual lab test data? I presumed this would have been the main aim of the project?

Julius is on the Council, so maybe Carr's can start the ball rolling , as he had all the lab test results in his hand?

Vader · Dec 7, 2023

Barleymow said:
this need as much publicity as we can give it , is there an easy way to plaster it on fb X etc

Without a good following, then paid posts to get it out there.
But if deemed to political or not with the agenda, paid posts gets refused .

yellowbelly · Dec 7, 2023

ace said:
Isn't WWF just a wildlife charity ? Why are they dictating policy and being listened to? Pls excuse my ignorance.

I was just the same as you - couldn't understand what it had to do with the World Wildlife Fund and thought it must be a confusion with something else with the same initials. So, I had a a 'google'....

Seems it's all got a bit sinister at the WWF...

delilah said:
They aren't dictating policy, they are just the public facing front to give it a veneer of cuddliness. They agreed to have Dave Lewis planted by the cartel as their Chair of Trustees, in return for £.

Muddyroads · Dec 7, 2023

Levy Believer said:
As I think everyone is aware the GFC is currently not going ahead, and AHDB have made very clear, we don't agree with it.

Only because grass roots farmers rallied against it.

graham mc · Dec 7, 2023

Muddyroads said:
Only because grass roots farmers rallied against it.

nope its a spin on words. what he actually says is true in a way as it wont go ahead till after the investigation

the day after the investigation well thats different

Drillman · Dec 7, 2023

Well I always try to look on the light side of things, but this is extremely serious!

we’ve got the likes of red tractor taking membership money off us supported by various other organisations then going running off to the supermarkets to help them instead of the people ( us ) who are paying them.

I don’t fully know what the answer is but do now know why all these organisations are been so uncooperative and downright hostile to the farmer members.

sooner or later a legal angle is going to be discovered, an awful lot of people are going to be answering some very difficult questions, payouts will have to be made and picking up soap in showers is going to be very painful!

Swarfmonkey · Dec 7, 2023

yellowbelly said:
I was just the same as you - couldn't understand what it had to do with the World Wildlife Fund and thought it must be a confusion with something else with the same initials. So, I had a a 'google'....

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Seems it's all got a bit sinister at the WWF...

When you look at it's financial reports you can see whose dictating it's policy.

Sadly, we as taxpayers are also funding WWF UK to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year

teslacoils · Dec 7, 2023

graham mc said:
stop stalling get a vote organised to rid us of the ahdb who constantly tell us one thing and shaft us by doing another just to further their personal ambitions

This.

A modern example of the Cleansing Of The Temple would be a flashmob of the AHDB stand at Cereals, as we all turned over their tables.

workin f nowt · Dec 7, 2023

yellowbelly said:
I was just the same as you - couldn't understand what it had to do with the World Wildlife Fund and thought it must be a confusion with something else with the same initials. So, I had a a 'google'....

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Seems it's all got a bit sinister at the WWF...

Being fick n all but WTF only uk baskets. What about the rest of the world. Fancy an oversized jar of vaseline may be required at this rate cos they all want to shaft us

Treg · Dec 7, 2023

yellowbelly said:
I was just the same as you - couldn't understand what it had to do with the World Wildlife Fund and thought it must be a confusion with something else with the same initials. So, I had a a 'google'....

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Seems it's all got a bit sinister at the WWF...

They've been all over Facebook with their eat Palm oil it really is good for everything, it's the answer to the world's problems

but their not getting good comments, people are seeing through it.

slackjawedyokel · Dec 7, 2023

I would like to thank @Levy Believer for coming on to here and trying to justify the AHDBs actions and opinions. I understand that often you, personally, will not be the right person to answer the important and pressing questions being put to you. Could you please go back to the AHDB and ask people that will be in positions to be able to answer these questions to join us here and fill us in about what’s been going on?

At the moment, AHDB is seen as being ‘on the wrong side’ of farmer’s opinion about the GFC and is being lumped in with RT, BRC and NFU. I think this is a particularly critical time for AHDB; the proposal is on the table to raise levies so we really do need to know whether AHDB is for us or aggin’ us.

We need clarity and honest answers from the people within AHDB best placed to give them. If no-one is available or willing to give those answers, then we are simply left to draw our own conclusions; if AHDB will not support farmers to the hilt then that raises existential questions about the future of the AHDB.

graham mc · Dec 7, 2023

The WWF Basket was initially developed through the WWF Tesco partnership. For more information about our partnership with Tesco, which concluded in November 2023, please click here.

says it all

Tucker · Dec 7, 2023

J 1177 said:
Iv had 4 bulls in darlo today, none quality assured......made absolutley feck all difference. Pleased i got shot of it.

Now we're not milking we dropped out of RT, no need of it, sent a few stores Saturday, 3 mentions in the market report, couple of nice Angus Heifers topped the market, can't argue with that

graham mc · Dec 7, 2023

the equiv to that would be for a non rt farmer to sell grain into say woldgrain and a few months later they sell it out as rt assured

you beef boys are lucky you dont have wla

le bon paysan · Dec 7, 2023

I'm sorry if it's not you @Levy Believer but in one thread I said you ( or whoever )were in the old boys club.
Now is the chance to prove you're not, RESIGN from the club. Nobody is going to change anything from the inside.

Give up all the expenses etc!!!!

copse · Dec 7, 2023

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Drillman said:
Well I always try to look on the light side of things, but this is extremely serious!

we’ve got the likes of red tractor taking membership money off us supported by various other organisations then going running off to the supermarkets to help them instead of the people ( us ) who are paying them.

I don’t fully know what the answer is but do now know why all these organisations are been so uncooperative and downright hostile to the farmer members.

sooner or later a legal angle is going to be discovered, an awful lot of people are going to be answering some very difficult questions, payouts will have to be made and picking up soap in showers is going to be very painful!

Absolutely disgusting the way they are carrying on.

Steevo · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
I'm livid about this, and I hope British Farming Union will hold NFU, RT, AHDB and the other farming unions to account over it.

Read on....

According to F Weekly article, Red Tractor planned to introduce the GFC to help several supermarkets meet their “WWF basket” commitments to source 50% of produce and grains and 100% of meat from environmental schemes by 2030.

So, I decided to look up what the "WWF basket" actually is.

Remember, the GFC aims to help supermarkets fulfil their "WWF basket", and introduction of the GFC was "unanimously" agreed by the Red Tractor ownership board.

Well, take a look at what NFU, RT and AHDB have signed us up to...

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Hope @AM_Arable is aware.

BrianV · Dec 7, 2023

The problem is many farmers are effectively being blackmailed into staying in the bloody Red Tractor but there is no such blackmail in staying in the completely useless NFU, isn't it time this group of useless prigs were disbanded as they are doing far more damage than good to UK agriculture.

bactosoil · Dec 7, 2023

If it was the French Nfu or equivalent AHDB Carrying on like here both head offices would have
Been filled up with tyres bale wrap and any other crap lying around the farm yard months ago
Maybe both need a bloody good wake up call

Grass And Grain · Dec 7, 2023

I'm not entirely certain if AHDB agreed with the GFC or not? No-one seems to want to say.

All we know is RT said it was a "unanimous" to have the GFC launched.

If, as per the FW article, the GFC is linked to the WWF Basket, then either the farming organisations are selling us down the river, or they haven't done their homework and researched what the WWF scheme means. Either way, it not good.

Apparently association with the WWF Basket was in a GFC document from a couple of months back, so they can't say they didn't know about it. Did they actually read up on what it was they were wanting to sign us up to.

I'll reserve judgement on AHDB, but if they knew about the WWF Basket (which it look like they should/would have done), then they should have known GFC was linked to the WWF scheme, and that WWF blueprint was calling for 20% less dietary meat and a reduction in meat/dairy advertising spend.

NFU said the GFC "principle is right", and RT said backing for the GFC was "unanimous".

I don't speak for the BFU, the members speak for themselves, but personally I think it looks like an awful decision to agree to GFC and it's involvement with the WWF Basket.

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