GFC disgrace: Here's what NFU, AHDB and RT have signed us up for

ajcc · Dec 7, 2023

Tucker said:
Now we're not milking we dropped out of RT, no need of it, sent a few stores Saturday, 3 mentions in the market report, couple of nice Angus Heifers topped the market, can't argue with that

Take a look at stirks at Sedgemoor last Saturday. . . I’ve not been fa since horsegate burger scandal.
Now is another watershed moment. . . .You gotta take individual responsibility and walk not just keep paying the racketeers.

Drillman · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
I'm not entirely certain if AHDB agreed with the GFC or not? No-one seems to want to say.

All we know is RT said it was a "unanimous" to have the GFC launched.

If, as per the FW article, the GFC is linked to the WWF Basket, then either the farming organisations are selling down the river, or they haven't done their homework and researched what the WWF scheme means. Either way, it doesn't look good.

Apparently association with the WWF Basket was in a GFC document from a couple of months back, so they can't say they didn't know about it. If they actually read up on what it was they were wanting to sign us up to.

I'll reserve judgement on AHDB, but if they knew about the WWF Basket (which it look alike they should/would have done), then they should have known GFC was linked to the WWF scheme, and that WWF blueprint was calling for 20% less dietary meat and a reduction in meat/dairy advertising spend.

NFU said the GFC "principle is right", and RT said backing for the GFC was as "unanimous".

I don't speak for the BFU, the members speak for themselves, but personally I think it looks like an awful decision to agree to GFC and it's involvement with the WWF Basket.

Unanimous by who?

If our levy board don’t want to tell us it means there not on our side.

It’s pretty certain that the people it affects ( the farmer) didn’t agree to it. And the organisations that represent some of us who were involved dont have a majority of farmer members either.

Lot of things been said and done by people who don’t have the mandate to do so.

Grass And Grain · Dec 7, 2023

Drillman said:
Unanimous by who? It’s pretty certain that the people it affects ( the farmer) didn’t agree to it. And the organisations that represent some of us who were involved dont have a majority of farmer members either.

Not only may they not represent the majority of farmers, they look to be representing us badly.

What did farming organisation in their right mind could sign up to supporting a WWF blueprint which wants 20% reduction in meat sales.

I think this is the worst revelation we've seen yet. It blows everything else out the water.

I'm just flabbergasted.

Drillman · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
Not only may they not represent the majority of farmers, they look to be representing us badly.

What did farming organisation in their right mind could sign up to supporting a WWF blueprint which wants 20% reduction in meat sales.

I think this is the worst revelation we've seen yet. It blows everything else out the water.

I'm just flabbergasted.

Flggergadted, I’m bloody furious, I would gladly string the lot of them up on a rope attached to the telehandler boom. There a disgrace to British agriculture.

yellowbelly · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
I'm not entirely certain if AHDB agreed with the GFC or not? No-one seems to want to say.

Post in thread 'GFC disgrace: Here's what NFU, AHDB and RT have signed us up for'
This guy seems to think they don't agree..
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...-rt-have-signed-us-up-for.401033/post-9059829

Grass And Grain · Dec 7, 2023

Drillman said:
Flggergadted, I’m bloody furious, I would gladly string the lot of them up on a rope attached to the telehandler boom. There a disgrace to British agriculture.

If a bunch of tree huggers approach NFU etc and say "we're starting a campaign to cut meat and dairy by 20%, and also make farms greener, but we need NFU/RT to help us make the farmers go green with a new RT GFC standard. Is it OK if you chaps at NFU/RT please pressurise the farmers into signing up for GFC, and while your doing that WWF and Tesco will get consumers to reduce meat/dairy consumption by 20%. How's that sound?"

If WWF/Tesco came to me and asked that, I'd tell them to take a running jump.

It's time AHDB publicly pulled out of RT. How can they associate themselves with an assurance scheme which is happy to be associated with a campaign to reduce spending on our livestock products.

graham mc · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
It's time AHDB publicly pulled out of RT. How can they associate themselves with an assurance scheme which is happy to be associated with a campaign to reduce spending on our livestock products.

what about people with interest in both camps????????????

Luke Cropwalker · Dec 7, 2023

What happens when UK meat output is cut by 20% but there is no difference in demand for meat? There will be a further increase in imports that don't meet UK standards and will further undermine UK production. I always thought the AHDB was supposed to promote UK production? I won't be naive enough to assume that the NFU would have the same aims.

B'o'B · Dec 7, 2023

Luke Cropwalker said:
What happens when UK meat output is cut by 20% but there is no difference in demand for meat? There will be a further increase in imports that don't meet UK standards and will further undermine UK production. I always thought the AHDB was supposed to promote UK production? I won't be naive enough to assume that the NFU would have the same aims.

AHDB is required to promote and support UK production by law, it is their statutory obligation.

slackjawedyokel · Dec 7, 2023

Luke Cropwalker said:
What happens when UK meat output is cut by 20% but there is no difference in demand for meat? There will be a further increase in imports that don't meet UK standards and will further undermine UK production. I always thought the AHDB was supposed to promote UK production? I won't be naive enough to assume that the NFU would have the same aims.

I would imagine supermarkets will import meat, but that will be ok because of the GFC credits accrued from UK farmers.

steveR · Dec 7, 2023

B'o'B said:
AHDB is required to promote and support UK production by law, it is their statutory obligation.

Do "they" know that......?

upnortheast · Dec 7, 2023

County NFU AGM tonight, to be attended by the high priestess I`m told
Told the movers & shakers that we are considering not renewing our membership because of the direction of red tractor & the NFU inability to stand up for farmers.the green module being the final straw.
Made the point, that I have said on here before, in 18 years of selling bottled milk, (about 1/2 million litres / year) not once has a customer asked about farm assurance / Red tractor. it`s irrelevant in the world outside of the cartel.
Also the rules for bottled milk, overseen by Env Health & Trading Standards have not changed in 20 years. Yet RT have to create new rules every year. Most totally meaningless.
Interesting to see if we get any feedback

delilah · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
If a bunch of tree buggers approach NFU etc and say "we're starting a campaign to cut meat and dairy by 20%, and also make farms greener, but we need NFU/RT to help us make the farmers go green with a new RT GFC standard. Is it OK if you chaps at NFU/RT please pressurise the farmers into signing up for GFC, and while your doing that WWF and Tesco will get consumers to reduce meat/dairy consumption by 20%. How's that sound?"

Just to be clear on all this. WWF approached nobody.

Dave Lewis, Terry Jones and other key players in the corporate control of our food system dreamt this up, then set about finding a naive/skint enough organisation to be the public front.

Don't go thinking it was in any way driven by the 'tree huggers'. WWF will find themselves ostracized by the many environmental organisations working on food and farming.

Treg · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
If a bunch of tree buggers approach NFU etc and say "we're starting a campaign to cut meat and dairy by 20%, and also make farms greener, but we need NFU/RT to help us make the farmers go green with a new RT GFC standard. Is it OK if you chaps at NFU/RT please pressurise the farmers into signing up for GFC, and while your doing that WWF and Tesco will get consumers to reduce meat/dairy consumption by 20%. How's that sound?"

If WWF/Tesco came to me and asked that, I'd tell them to take a running jump.

It's time AHDB publicly pulled out of RT. How can they associate themselves with an assurance scheme which is happy to be associated with a campaign to reduce spending on our livestock products.

I can picture the top table at NFU wetting themselves laughing, then going yeah for a laugh shall we try it.

It was probably April the 1st because surely no Farming representative group would sell their members down the river? Would they?

Well I suppose if they had a company that invests in the Multinationals they might

Vader · Dec 7, 2023

graham mc said:
The WWF Basket was initially developed through the WWF Tesco partnership. For more information about our partnership with Tesco, which concluded in November 2023, please click here.

says it all

Nfu sponsors...
Lots of supermarkets and Tesco.

B'o'B · Dec 7, 2023

It would appear not. It goes further than that. The quote below is taken from the “Statuary Instrument” that formed the AHDB and lays down what it is required to do…..
“3. Promoting the production and marketing of standard products.”

The “standard products” refers to basic commodities. Assured products are no longer “standard products” as they are by definition differentiated from basic commodities by the fact they also carry assurance.

MRT · Dec 7, 2023

Grass And Grain said:
Not only may they not represent the majority of farmers, they look to be representing us badly.

What did farming organisation in their right mind could sign up to supporting a WWF blueprint which wants 20% reduction in meat sales.

I think this is the worst revelation we've seen yet. It blows everything else out the water.

I'm just flabbergasted.

AHDB no longer reporting sales data from livestock markets to farmers now makes sense

Ffermer Bach · Dec 7, 2023

upnortheast said:
County NFU AGM tonight, to be attended by the high priestess I`m told
Told the movers & shakers that we are considering not renewing our membership because of the direction of red tractor & the NFU inability to stand up for farmers.the green module being the final straw.
Made the point, that I have said on here before, in 18 years of selling bottled milk, (about 1/2 million litres / year) not once has a customer asked about farm assurance / Red tractor. it`s irrelevant in the world outside of the cartel.
Also the rules for bottled milk, overseen by Env Health & Trading Standards have not changed in 20 years. Yet RT have to create new rules every year. Most totally meaningless.
Interesting to see if we get any feedback

when I buy milk in the supermarket, the only thing I look for, is, is it homogenised?

beardface · Dec 7, 2023

Given the large amount of animal feed grown here it looks like they've signed us up for our own execution.

DrWazzock · Dec 7, 2023

Not really a surprise is it. This kind of green wash nonsense now permeates everything from No 10 down. Between “saving the planet” and “human rights” they’ll destroy everything that keeps a civilisation functioning.

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