He’s decided Argentine is a much less bonkers country and moved there.
Well done AHDB
- Thread starter Tamar
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It’s about arrogance and audacity. It’s about losing control of our own and our children’s destiny.
Its about what appears to be treacherous behaviour from enemy/enemies within selling our trust.
Its about what appears to be treacherous behaviour from enemy/enemies within selling our trust.
Was wondering if he was going to come out with something by now......
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- Mendips Somerset
sounds to me the proper representative for AHDB made him/herself scarce the day it was to be voted on probably realising it was a contentious issue , (wonder how many other normal reps went missing in action that day
) now some stooge is going to get it for waving though the motion .Carbon mitigation will be a big issue for those higher up the chain so no doubt they are trying to get their ducks in order before us thickos realise it has any value .
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- Northumberland
Something I’m also wondering. We haven’t been told who was representing AHDB as stand-in for Tim Rycroft on the 29 Sept. That’s understandable if the representative was a junior employee (obviously junior staff members should not be exposed to the flak over this).sounds to me the proper representative for AHDB made him/herself scarce the day it was to be voted on probably realising it was a contentious issue , (wonder how many other normal reps went missing in action that day
Carbon mitigation will be a big issue for those higher up the chain so no doubt they are trying to get their ducks in order before us thickos realise it has any value .
But if they were a junior member of the team, how come they were in the cut and thrust of the debate, robustly defending the rights of farmers, and how come they were in a position to agree (not vote) on anything at the end of the meeting, rather than saying “Sorry; these decisions are for a level above me- I will have to refer them upwards”.
If the AHDB rep was on a comparable level with Tim, then they should have big enough shoulders to be able to explain what has occurred, not hide behind anonymity.
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- Northumberland
@Levy Believer @dontknowanything
I’d like the AHDB to answer this question:
Do you believe that supermarkets have spent the past 3 years colluding, via WWF and BRC, to steal (or ‘take with minimal payment’ if you prefer) farmers’ assets (in the form of carbon credits, BNG etc) as a condition of farmers being allowed to sell their produce?
Thanks, David Renner.
I’d like the AHDB to answer this question:
Do you believe that supermarkets have spent the past 3 years colluding, via WWF and BRC, to steal (or ‘take with minimal payment’ if you prefer) farmers’ assets (in the form of carbon credits, BNG etc) as a condition of farmers being allowed to sell their produce?
Thanks, David Renner.
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- Essex
Ahdb should never have approved the GFC, regardless of seniority. The GFC is nothing less than the legalised theft of value from farmers.
Ahdb is charged with improving the prospects of farm businesses by getting value back to the farm.
Ahdb is funded by farmers and is using those funds (£60m a year) to work against those farmers.
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- Northumberland
I’m not sure the AHDB did agree the GFC. My impression is that, at the 29th Sept meeting they were acquiescent in the further development of the GFC, subject to the changes they argued for at that meeting. I don’t think they were expecting the launch the following week. Happy for AHDB to correct me if I’m wrong there @Levy Believer .
That’s my take on it.
But since there was never a vote on it, it didn’t matter whether they were acquiescent or strongly opposed because the decision had already been made.
We hear that they (AHDB) had been unhappy about the GFC throughout its development.
Why didn’t they do anything about it?
They could at least have issued a Press statement saying that ‘the ongoing development into corporations utilising (stealing) farmers’ natural capital is not likely in levy payers best interests’.
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- Mendips Somerset
More importantly why wasnt it taken back to levy payers if they had concerns or shared amongst the wider farming community with likes of national sheep / beef association etc we could have meted some defence and at least taken RT to task ? If this type of high-handed approach seems to be they way they conduct business wonder what else we will find in pandoras box ?
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- Lincolnshire
Anyway, thank goodness for the BFU and the good folk there doing the work to stand up for our interests.
Because nobody wants to be seen as anti environment, anti nowt zero. The GFC has been carefully window dressed by the retail consortium to look like a positive benefit to our industry, and society in general
Carefully chosen words like participating is "initially voluntary" might well have rung some alarm bells with some (anonymous) representatives within the AHDB, but they chose to keep very quiet
Unless the AHDB now publicly denounce the farce of cutting food primary production to meet WWF basket commitments, (which will ultimately provide more processed food profit for the retailers without them needing to reduce their own pollution output in the slightest), the GFC will go ahead
If the AHDB really do want to make amends for permitting the retail consortium to plot with RT for profit, they ought help farmers take back control of our assurance, and our enviromental credentials
They need to back British Farming, and do so NOW, before the NFU governance review smokescreen gives time for the retailers to revise their strategy in the battle for our resources
Well, that's my opinion. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to sign a few blank cheques for their farm account, and drop them off at your nearest supermarket
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- Northumberland
This and this.Customers want what is “good for the environment” (when the question is couched in a cost-neutral way). This is being used as a Trojan horse; the retailers have laid a massive trap to try and gain our assets for their gain under the guise of being ‘environmental’.
AHDB need to get off the fence. Now. Before NFU reports at the latest. Either they have been blindsided by this almost as much as the rest of us, in which case they should be walking away and encouraging us to do likewise or they are for it and don’t deserve our levy monies.
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- Yorks
I think similar.
We're told by AHDB people that they've been pushing back at RT over past couple of years (freedom of information emails from 2 years back did suggest otherwise though!!). Let's give benefit if the doubt, and they have been pushing bac since then.
And now RT come along and try launching the GFC.
Point must now have been reached where AHDB say enough is enough.
AHDB can't control RT. That's fair enough, they've only a single vote on the board.
However, if they think RT is out of control, and we've next to no choice of a different assurance provider, then they need to do something decisive and pull out, otherwise AHDB are going to get stick from farmers.
So, question is, are AHDB happy for Red Tractor to continue in its current form and position as a monopoly provider, and are AHDB content with being a part of it?
I'm beginning to think they simply can't process the reality of what's happening here or why we are so angry.
I say if they haven't sorted it by the end of February the letters go in.
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- Mendips Somerset
I think your right , the enviro / carbon / climate change puzzle is very murky many of those voting at RT simply have little understanding of what any of it means or impact on the rural world ,You can bet BRC has wrapped it up with a neat little bow so all fall into line , BRC has had lots of degree , legal advice on how to best make their footprint look good , if only for advertising purposes , all those shelves full of products from around the world (inc plastic tat from china) must be giving them squeeky bum time on how to fulfil their commitments going forward ,
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- East Yorkshire
ironic that
Farmers can control AHDB they only need 5% call a vote that could put an end to them
they seam to have been drinking in the last chance saloon long enough and have more lives than a cat
Hi graham mc, thank you for another piece of useful information so lets get 5% to vote for for the closure of AHDB! Does anyone know who sits on RT board, who they are supposed to represent & what they actually voted for? One should be able to do a Freedom of Information request on all AHDB decisions which means they would have to provide results within 28 days. Interesting times.
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- Essex
All appointed by the 6 way ownership board. Scroll down to see the full list.
Who We Are: The Red Tractor Team - Red Tractor Assurance
Red Tractor is a not-for-profit company created by farmers and industry leaders in 2000.
redtractorassurance.org.uk
So is this the plan.....All appointed by the 6 way ownership board. Scroll down to see the full list.
Who We Are: The Red Tractor Team - Red Tractor Assurance
Red Tractor is a not-for-profit company created by farmers and industry leaders in 2000.
Get 5% of levy payers to to demand GFC condemnation by the AHDB (need all notices sent within 30 days, and exactly how many is 5%?)
Set up an assurance company to rival the retailer compromised dead tractor assurance monopoly (that we set up in 2000
) "Appropriate" the best bits from the GFC for ourselves (since the retail consortium has already kindly done the difficult and expensive lobbying work for us)
Then tell the retailers if they want to save the planet, they can go shove their polluting plastic packaging up the same dark smelly hole where the rest of their enviromental marketing information comes from?
Sounds good to me, but we'll need to move fast before the NFU governance smokescreen let's the retailers get their April fools day project launched first.....