Are you saying the tin foil hat anti vax Twitter brigade set up Bill Gates and his luckily timed $50m investment into mRNA therapy just so they would have someone nasty to point the finger at? Wooft. That’s an angle I hadn’t considered.This is how McCullough and the anti-vaccine/wellness quackery industry operate. Gates is used for demonisation purposes as part of the grift. If it wasn't him, they'd set up somebody else ~
The Wellness Company: How antivaccine grift becomes plain old quackery
The Wellness Company, promoted by Dr. Peter McCullough, is the product of a trend in which antivax doctors have predictably become just quacks. At least in this case, there is an amusing quack fight asciencebasedmedicine.org
The author has investigated anti-vaccine goings on and pseudoscience for decades. He is a highly qualified medical scientist and also a practicing medical professional. He knows medical disinformation and pseudoscience when he sees it. He calls it out because it kills people.
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primmiemoo
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They aren't a twitter brigade. They have been around since before the Internet. They're a broad network of cranks, disgraced medics, and other grifters who have been taking money off the sick, the uneducated, the gullible ~ and plain ordinary people who found and believed disinformation before any scientific information reached them ~ by selling quack remedies, pseudoscience, and woo disguised as "wellness".
These people need to maintain their extremely lucrative marketplace of people to exploit. They do this by pointing at another party and demonising them. It's just a sales tactic. Snake oil sales methods and tricks of yore transcribed into modern times. If they were only tin foil hat sales, not much harm to be had, but they peddle medical misinformation that kills and disables people.
They have Andrew Wakefield and Robert Kennedy Jr among them. Dolly Parton funded covid vaccines, but they chose not to demonise her. Gates was easier. I don't think Gates is extra special, either. He's just the bloke that's presented to a carefully groomed target market as living in that other place over there somewhere, who isn't one of them. This is a "look, squirrel!" tactic to encourage their target market to follow any money (bigliest money of Gates and Big Pharma) and not the shedloads of money the grifters are raking in.
Dr Gorski has made a long study of how modern antivax and woo confidence tricks are deployed, and reports on the carnage that is left in their wakes.
Dr who?
How is Dr Peter McCullough grifting exactly, considering his viewpoint looks likely to end his carrier?
I think comparing any money would be grifters might make in whatever things they involve themselves in pales into insignificance compared to what has been made on covid vaccines.
They are so blatantly obviously dangerous I can’t believe anyone would believe that they are the panacea they were made out to be. I personally know one guy that took such a bad reaction to it that his wife wasn’t sure he was going to make it through the night, and another young female that menstruated for weeks after hers, something I heard of elsewhere as well, who knows how that will affect her fertility! And who had ever heard of myocarditis before the jabs arrived??
Time will tell just how dangerous these ‘vaccines’ were, but in the mean time we can expect plenty more “doing this sedentary activity could cause a heart attack/stroke” headlines.
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Thanks. Feel slightly better, surely antibiotics can't be that quick. 2 days... Spent all day hedging roadsides. Physical rest but mentally drained.
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Observation of sheep and self ~ if there's rapid improvement after antibiotic, then antibiotic was needed!
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This Doctor ~
David Gorski - Wikipedia
Why haven't you heard of him?
It's obvious that McCullough presents slick marketing PR, but that doesn't mean he is in any way credible around covid. His grift is through his company that sells quack supplements for sky high prices ($70+ per bottle. Subscriptions for hundreds of dollars). Way more lucrative than his job in medicine. In the USA, sales of "supplements" are not regulated. Here in Britain, they are, and for good reasons of protecting public health. He is a danger because he is among those behind ridiculous nonsense about spike protein and covid vaccines ~
Experts rubbish Covid vaccine 'detoxification' supplement
Sponsored social media posts advertise a "detoxification supplement" called nattokinase that can supposedly counteract harmful effects from Covid-19 shots. This is false; experts and public health authorities told AFP there is no evidence the product -- which regulators are reviewing for...
factcheck.afp.com
He keeps the pot of the genuinely unwell (as a result of having covid, or with health anxiety as a result of being told lies about the vaccines they've taken) steaming and simmering in fear and ignorance about proven vaccines in order to maintain his sales of pseudoscience. He's linked with floggers of other harmful quackery, mostly based in the US. All in the same business of cynical profiteering from the pandemic. It leads to people dying from preventable disease. I've no idea of your route to being duped, but the way that anti-vaccine disinformation campaigns about covid vaccines have been networked and marketed makes everyone susceptible to being misled into backing a pathogenic virus that's killed millions of people, and wrecked the health and life expectancy of millions more.
From my point of view you are just accusing him of the very thing that I see Pfizer/Moderna etc of doing, at least what he is promoting is natural and has been around for a long time. Experimental covid vaccines on the other hand….This Doctor ~
David Gorski - Wikipedia
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Why haven't you heard of him?
It's obvious that McCullough presents slick marketing PR, but that doesn't mean he is in any way credible around covid. His grift is through his company that sells quack supplements for sky high prices ($70+ per bottle. Subscriptions for hundreds of dollars). Way more lucrative than his job in medicine. In the USA, sales of "supplements" are not regulated. Here in Britain, they are, and for good reasons of protecting public health. He is a danger because he is among those behind ridiculous nonsense about spike protein and covid vaccines ~
Experts rubbish Covid vaccine 'detoxification' supplement
Sponsored social media posts advertise a "detoxification supplement" called nattokinase that can supposedly counteract harmful effects from Covid-19 shots. This is false; experts and public health authorities told AFP there is no evidence the product -- which regulators are reviewing for...
He keeps the pot of the genuinely unwell (as a result of having covid, or with health anxiety as a result of being told lies about the vaccines they've taken) steaming and simmering in fear and ignorance about proven vaccines in order to maintain his sales of pseudoscience. He's linked with floggers of other harmful quackery, mostly based in the US. All in the same business of cynical profiteering from the pandemic. It leads to people dying from preventable disease. I've no idea of your route to being duped, but the way that anti-vaccine disinformation campaigns about covid vaccines have been networked and marketed makes everyone susceptible to being misled into backing a pathogenic virus that's killed millions of people, and wrecked the health and life expectancy of millions more.
The difference between us is you trust the establishment, and I don’t.
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Loads of people have strokes or heart attacks or myocarditis seemingly for no reason and they always have. The idea that it is vaccines causing all of this is farcical when you consider that the population in their millions were just exposed to a novel coronavirus known to cause health issues such as coagulopathy, sepsis and autoimmune problems. Again, none of this is news because we know some viruses cause these things. We won't know the full effect of a viral pandemic for some years until the mechanism by which they cause all of these health issues is determined and properly understood. That's the nature of pandemics. You can plan all you like but there will always be some unknowns.
And for the final fudging time: mRNA vaccines are not a gene therapy, nor do they approximate these techniques in any way, shape or form. People who believe they are one and the same need to rapidly educate themselves before posting completely nonsensical posts and making themselves look spectacularly uninformed.
Believe me, if gene therapy was as simple as injecting people with a bit of mRNA in some lipid nanoparticles (hint= it isn't) researchers would be jumping from joy in the street.
And for the final fudging time: mRNA vaccines are not a gene therapy, nor do they approximate these techniques in any way, shape or form. People who believe they are one and the same need to rapidly educate themselves before posting completely nonsensical posts and making themselves look spectacularly uninformed.
Believe me, if gene therapy was as simple as injecting people with a bit of mRNA in some lipid nanoparticles (hint= it isn't) researchers would be jumping from joy in the street.
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The vaccines are not experimental because the technology was developed and trialled years ago. They are thus not really new and the fact the technology had been sat on the shelf unused is how they were developed so quickly. But this doesn't fit your peculiar agenda, does it?
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Um, where did you get the idea I "trust the establishment"?
Covid vaccines are not experimental. mRNA vaccine has been around for about 40 years, and they're the newest type. Taking out "establishment" practices for funding of vaccine development (of all classes of covid vaccines) as a direct response to fight the pathogenic virus SARS-CoV-2 let us have their benefit years sooner than the "establishment" would have otherwise allowed ~
As soon as SARS-CoV-2 was identified (end 2019/early 2020) existing work on mRNA vaccines was brought into developing mRNA vaccines against covid-19. Back in 2013, human trials of mRNA vaccines were made against rabies and zika.
Hope you haven't fallen for the guff out there misleadingly equating mRNA vaccines with gene therapy
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Why mRNA vaccines aren't gene therapies - Genomics Education Programme
We bust another Covid-19 myth – this time about how mRNA vaccines work – in our latest blog post
www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk
My agenda
How many children and pregnant women were involved in covid vaccine trials years ago?
Are you denying that there have been any vaccine attributable harms?
What about the guff that says that the vaccines are contaminated with DNA? Enough evidence of that to kick up worry in Florida:Um, where did you get the idea I "trust the establishment"?
Covid vaccines are not experimental. mRNA vaccine has been around for about 40 years, and they're the newest type. Taking out "establishment" practices for funding of vaccine development (of all classes of covid vaccines) as a direct response to fight the pathogenic virus SARS-CoV-2 let us have their benefit years sooner than the "establishment" would have otherwise allowed ~
As soon as SARS-CoV-2 was identified (end 2019/early 2020) existing work on mRNA vaccines was brought into developing mRNA vaccines against covid-19. Back in 2013, human trials of mRNA vaccines were made against rabies and zika.
Hope you haven't fallen for the guff out there misleadingly equating mRNA vaccines with gene therapy
Why mRNA vaccines aren't gene therapies - Genomics Education Programme
We bust another Covid-19 myth – this time about how mRNA vaccines work – in our latest blog post
Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines | Florida Department of Health
Tallahassee, Fla.— On December 6, 2023, State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo sent a...
When you’re quoting ‘fact checks’ it gives it away a bit. I bet you took the first vaccine and thought wearing masks was a good idea too, which would back up my assumption, to do either of these would have been to trust the establishment.Um, where did you get the idea I "trust the establishment"?
Covid vaccines are not experimental. mRNA vaccine has been around for about 40 years, and they're the newest type. Taking out "establishment" practices for funding of vaccine development (of all classes of covid vaccines) as a direct response to fight the pathogenic virus SARS-CoV-2 let us have their benefit years sooner than the "establishment" would have otherwise allowed ~
As soon as SARS-CoV-2 was identified (end 2019/early 2020) existing work on mRNA vaccines was brought into developing mRNA vaccines against covid-19. Back in 2013, human trials of mRNA vaccines were made against rabies and zika.
Hope you haven't fallen for the guff out there misleadingly equating mRNA vaccines with gene therapy
Why mRNA vaccines aren't gene therapies - Genomics Education Programme
We bust another Covid-19 myth – this time about how mRNA vaccines work – in our latest blog post
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They aren't contaminated. It's a misinformation campaign about manufacturing. Got you scared, though.What about the guff that says that the vaccines are contaminated with DNA? Enough evidence of that to kick up worry in Florida:
Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines | Florida Department of Health
Tallahassee, Fla.— On December 6, 2023, State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo sent a...www.floridahealth.gov
You keep taking them, I’ll continue to pass
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I value my health, and I read up on scientific evidence. Nothing to do with "establishment". From what you're saying, you're worried that the pandemic didn't go away when contrarians and grifters said it would. I'm worried that the pandemic is being needlessly extended because of a disregard of long known ways to fight disease. I'm worried about the impact on children. From what is emerging, there's more than two elements of covid:
There's the asymptomatic/acute symptomatic phase of infection;
Long covid, or increasing risk of long covid, in most people who have more than 1 infection (long covid is recognised as having symptoms for more than 6 weeks, I think);
Then there's covid effects in utero. What will be the outcomes from lack of infection control measures around pregnancy?
Anyway, why on earth aren't we in Britain "living with" cholera these days? Surely we can return to digging our wells next to the privy now there hasn't been any cholera for a couple of centuries.
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Florida is a basket case. That Surgeon General has been exposed as presenting fraudulent analysis of covid data. There's something dodgy about his qualification, too. All part of the culture wars in the USA. People have died, and there be more deaths because of it.
I’m not worried about the ‘pandemic’ at all.
Reading up on the science is very much to do with the establishment, and where money is directed, and from where it comes (research is incredibly expensive, if it isn’t profitable in $$ terms, it doesn’t happen), if you think it is an entirely benevolent entity, I think you are unbelievably naive.
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And generics?
Like ivermectin? They get smeared and mocked at every opportunity and set up to fail in rigged trials.
What about vitamin D? There seemed to be high correlation between those who died early on and low vit d levels, why wasn’t there more of a push to proactively increase the health of the nation, you know, stuff like eat healthy whole foods, get outside in the fresh air and exercise, lose weight where necessary, I don’t recall hearing any promotion of these things at the time or since on the news, they were too preoccupied spreading fear and panic (great for the health) with their ever increasing tally of deaths (in small letters:folk who died within 28 days of a positive test) given prominence over everything. Then they went on to promote the vaccines as a total panacea, take the jab and you won’t get covid, 99% effective, even if you are unfortunate enough to still get it, you surely won’t pass it on- all turned out to be utter rubbish.
Honestly, I urge anyone to spend a bit of time thinking about it, the whole thing was insane.