underfloor heat in workshop

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Has anyone experience of fitting underfloor heat in worshop area ? im thinking about hot water based heat not electric based hear so it would need pipes under a concrete layer and I assume you would have to put some insulation down under the concrete first but woul that cause an issue with point loading or such like as the kingspan or what ever used as insualtion could potentullay compress and allow the concrete to crack with a trolley jack or bottle jack above it with a load on ?
 

HatsOff

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What sort of max point load are you expecting?

Usually in a domestic setting you put the ufh into the screed.

However I have worked on industrial slabs where they ufh is in the main structural slab tied to the mesh. Slab needs to be a bit thicker to compensate but I can't remember any major issues. Pipes are approx 16mm diameter and the aggregate size 20mm so didn't cause concern.

You could add an extra layer of mesh to sandwich the pipes to be belt and braces where the point loads are expected.

Insulation is an absolute must because ufh is run at lower temperatures. Especially so if it's in a thicker concrete slab instead of a thinner screed.
 
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mo!

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Only worth it if you are using the workshop a lot, underfloor is great but very slow to respond to demand for heat. Money spent on insulation on other parts will have a faster return. The idea of lying on a heated floor does appeal though!
 

How much

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North East
What sort of max point load are you expecting?

Usually in a domestic setting you put the ufh into the screed.

However I have worked on industrial slabs where they ufh is in the main structural slab tied to the mesh. Slab needs to be a bit thicker to compensate but I can't remember any major issues. Pipes are approx 16mm diameter and the aggregate size 20mm so didn't cause concern.

You could add an extra layer of mesh to sandwich the pipes to be belt and braces where the point loads are expected.

Insulation is an absolute must because ufh is run at lower temperatures. Especially so if it's in a thicker concrete slab instead of a thinner screed.
Really not sure on point load but if you jacked a corner of a big tractor up on bottle jack would likely be the highest that is unlikely to be more than 20 tons so say 5 tons per wheel load I guess so maybe 5 tons on a 4 x 4 inch foot Print so say 16 sq inch so that's about a third of ton per sq inch that sound less than I was expecting it would be .
A trolly jack would have less footprint but the weight would be much more spread out that would probably be no worse .
in terms of insulation whats commonly used Kingspan ? any idea what thickness would be common .

just looking for ideas to see if its viable and get rough idea of cost before I look into it in more detail
 

Wisconsonian

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Hot water tubes in concrete slabs are one of the most efficient ways to transfer heat. Also, inexpensive materials, relatively simple design, and versatile for using solar, biomass, heat pump or any other heat source.

How warm are you going to keep the shop? and is it going to be heated all the time, and insulated? If the ground temp (average annual temp) is close to the temp you'll keep the shop, then there is little to be gained from insulation under the concrete. Here, perimeter insulation is critical.

As Mo said, the slowness is a big drawback. Running the tubes too long is another big problem, but easy to avoid. It's easy to spend a lot of money on an overly complex system that doesn't work any better than simple one. If you're not going to install it yourself, that is another big factor.
 
What heating system?

Ive heated quite a few commercial spaces now. If you ever want to fit anything to the floor you will live in fear of hitting a pipe. Unless you have endless low grade water at say 30 degrees I’d insulate the roof and chuck a 40kw volcano blow heater in each corner. Yes you get a heat spike for the first half hr but then it will recycle the heat in roof for rest of day.

Also good for air movement in summer…
 
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