Staff salary / hourly wage?

Pennine Ploughing · Jan 15, 2024

Think the problem of not posting what they are paying their staff,
Is quite simple, no matter what someone is brave enough to post, will be considered by 96% on here, its the wrong amount, be either to much, or too little and open to criticism either way, 2% would think its the right amount, but not like or reply to the post

czechmate · Jan 15, 2024

In our family engineering company hay day we employed 30. It was a feckin nightmare; them getting to discuss pay rates at tea break

designanddetail · Jan 15, 2024

Our son is 18, works full time on a local mixed farm, can and will do any task required, feeding, taking to market, combining, mucking out, TB testing, repairs and maintenance on kit, can drive any machine, telehandler/digger/combine etc A lot of the kit is a few years old, no shiny new stuff. No formal employer training offered, no tickets etc ever been talked about for career development. Flat rate £8 per hour. Averages about 130/140hour a month. Have told him he would get more at Morrisons but he is happy for now as he lives at home and outgoings are minimal. I cant see how it can be a sustainable 'career' when the 2bed semi house next door to us if for sale for £205k (the farmer owns 3 of these but 3beds not 2, and rents them out, sometimes his jobs for the week if to sort out and prep one of the rentals between tenants).

Spencer · Jan 15, 2024

designanddetail said:
Our son is 18, works full time on a local mixed farm, can and will do any task required, feeding, taking to market, combining, mucking out, TB testing, repairs and maintenance on kit, can drive any machine, telehandler/digger/combine etc A lot of the kit is a few years old, no shiny new stuff. No formal employer training offered, no tickets etc ever been talked about for career development. Flat rate £8 per hour. Averages about 130/140hour a month. Have told him he would get more at Morrisons but he is happy for now as he lives at home and outgoings are minimal. I cant see how it can be a sustainable 'career' when the 2bed semi house next door to us if for sale for £205k (the farmer owns 3 of these but 3beds not 2, and rents them out, sometimes his jobs for the week if to sort out and prep one of the rentals between tenants).

Lot to be said for being happy..

Chae1 · Jan 15, 2024

Spencer said:
Lot to be said for being happy..

Bet his employer is happy.

Blaithin · Jan 15, 2024

kiwi pom said:
So do I there’s a load of replies from people who employ no one (including myself) with all kinds of rates but the members who do employ people refuse to comment.
Why’s it a secret?

Perhaps one should ask what a skilled employee is willing to work for.

If you know what they’re getting paid elsewhere? or need to get paid, then you have a starting point.

CPF · Jan 15, 2024

designanddetail said:
Our son is 18, works full time on a local mixed farm, can and will do any task required, feeding, taking to market, combining, mucking out, TB testing, repairs and maintenance on kit, can drive any machine, telehandler/digger/combine etc A lot of the kit is a few years old, no shiny new stuff. No formal employer training offered, no tickets etc ever been talked about for career development. Flat rate £8 per hour. Averages about 130/140hour a month. Have told him he would get more at Morrisons but he is happy for now as he lives at home and outgoings are minimal. I cant see how it can be a sustainable 'career' when the 2bed semi house next door to us if for sale for £205k (the farmer owns 3 of these but 3beds not 2, and rents them out, sometimes his jobs for the week if to sort out and prep one of the rentals between tenants).

Don’t forget, to tell him on the 1st of April 2024, he can have a wage increase of 60p per hour .

designanddetail · Jan 15, 2024

Chae1 said:
Bet his employer is happy.

Yes I bet, but not a lot of choice in our area.

He did plumbing and electrics at college and got student of the year but couldn't find an apprenticeship.

Bald Rick · Jan 15, 2024

Boomerang said:
It is about the money if they can't afford to live.

Well yes but job satisfaction is a large element of that too after the bills are paid

Bald Rick · Jan 15, 2024

kiwi pom said:
Pay rates don’t have to be confidential at all, you just don’t want to give an hourly rate number probably because it’s shite. Salaries for all kinds of jobs are common knowledge and regularly discussed by TFF members.
You have kind of answered the question down thread by suggesting 12 quid self employed wasn’t a surprise.
11 or 12 quid full time entry level dairying is ok in my opinion but it needs to include accommodation
I suspect it’s much lower for those under 21 though which is of course why kids are preferred.

Our staff drive Audis and BMWs actually and they are paid better than the average salary for the Sainted Isle.
We also have no difficulty in finding and retaining the staff we wish to keep.

But hey, we pay them “shite” …

PI Stsker · Jan 15, 2024

fieldfarmer said:
Why not lead by example, maybe put up your salary and maybe even how many you employ including there hrs wage and the accommodation you include for them.

No one got the balls here to do this? Everyone harping on but no one taken the bull by the horns. I’ll take the lead…

Over two Ltd companies i run I get a combined salary of £45,000, with a free house out of one buisness and a free car and fuel out of the other.

I employ two members of staff on my side of the farming business (we will forget brothers dairy side for now) both don’t have accommodation as they live locally and are on £15/ hr time and a half after 39 hours.

On the HGV’s it’s a mixed bag depending on experience and age but I would say the average is about £16/hr time and a half after 39 hours and a night out bonus of £30 per night in the truck. And again no accommodation provided.

allot of people get hung up on being the highest paid person in a business as they own it and won’t pay anyone any more as they won’t pay them self more, I think this is rubbish. You should pay for what you wish to get out of someone, most weeks the lorry drivers take home more than me, but they are the ones living in there truck doing more hours than me etc. and same in the summer for the farming side they are the ones putting in the hours dealing with the pressure of the weather etc. also got to remember yes you own it and have your balls on the line so to speak but I can cash out at any time I like and enjoy a healthy retirement, get free living and a nice lifestyle with a nice work/home balance. Often for employees their only cash out option is to sell the family home…

Spencer · Jan 15, 2024

Chae1 said:
Bet his employer is happy.

Fair comment

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Sharpy · Jan 15, 2024

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Bald Rick said:
Our staff drive Audis and BMWs actually and they are paid better than the average salary for the Sainted Isle.
We also have no difficulty in finding and retaining the staff we wish to keep.

But hey, we pay them “shite” …

Big thing about disclosing pay rates is that it's two peoples business, the employer and the employee, and while one may be happy to discuss, the other may be most annoyed. Easy to cause upset.

PI Stsker · Jan 15, 2024

Sharpy said:
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Big thing about disclosing pay rates is that it's two peoples business, the employer and the employee, and while one may be happy to discuss, the other may be most annoyed. Easy to cause upset.

Dosnt stop you disclosing your own salary…? Or am I still the only one…?

I go to focus groups with local Buisness’ and this is often one of the first questions… “how much is the director of the Buisness drawing out per year”

Sharpy · Jan 15, 2024

PI Stsker said:
Dosnt stop you disclosing your own salary…? Or am I still the only one…?

I go to focus groups with local Buisness’ and this is often one of the first questions… “how much is the director of the Buisness drawing out per year”

I'm self employed, ending up with about 10 pounds an hour and use of a van, have to pay the tax out of that too, should be more but Rome wasn't built in a day. Needing more and better organisation to lift chargeable time.
My part time assistant is on roughly £12 hr take home.

Blaithin · Jan 15, 2024

Sharpy said:
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Big thing about disclosing pay rates is that it's two peoples business, the employer and the employee, and while one may be happy to discuss, the other may be most annoyed. Easy to cause upset.

Doesn’t need to involve names or positions. Can be as simple as “we start paying ay $X amount and increase from there”

And honestly, I could tell you my salary but that’s not going to tell you what I make a year. You’d have to know all my OT as well.

There needs to be more open discussion about base pay. $30/hr? $40/hr? $45k a year? $65k a year?

From an employee standpoint it’s one of the prime ways employers attempt to manipulate employees. “Don’t tell anyone else, don’t want somebody to get upset.”

Who’s going to get upset? Obviously someone’s getting paid less, presumably less than they are actually worth. I always wonder how my pay compares. My manager seems a fair and nice guy, but does he still pay me less because women get paid less?

I started contracting last year. I started at a low middle pay because most farmers I know are vocally cheap. After half the farms I worked for voluntarily paid me more than I asked for I did a couple polls on social media. Majority of responses were willing to pay equal to or more than my mid to high ideas.

dinderleat · Jan 15, 2024

designanddetail said:
Our son is 18, works full time on a local mixed farm, can and will do any task required, feeding, taking to market, combining, mucking out, TB testing, repairs and maintenance on kit, can drive any machine, telehandler/digger/combine etc A lot of the kit is a few years old, no shiny new stuff. No formal employer training offered, no tickets etc ever been talked about for career development. Flat rate £8 per hour. Averages about 130/140hour a month. Have told him he would get more at Morrisons but he is happy for now as he lives at home and outgoings are minimal. I cant see how it can be a sustainable 'career' when the 2bed semi house next door to us if for sale for £205k (the farmer owns 3 of these but 3beds not 2, and rents them out, sometimes his jobs for the week if to sort out and prep one of the rentals between tenants).

I pay my apprentice that

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DRC · Jan 15, 2024

Bald Rick said:
Ultimately its not about the money though.
Job satisfaction and feeling part of the operation would rank higher than cold hard cash. If it was the latter, every employee would be just a mercenary

Of course pay is confidential. It is matter between two individuals.
Milk Price, fert price etc are in the public domain to a large extent.

Says a farm owner who no doubt will loose half of his living costs through The farm business.
Bit different if every penny you earn is needed to pay mortgage / rent, and every other cost of living you can think of .

Robt · Jan 15, 2024

As a bench mark. In Suffolk I can get £35 an hour self employed with a chainsaw . Yes it’s very physical and I provide the tools but £13? And you’re self employed driving a machine…. You get £18 an hour driving a broom on a building site employed on books!!!!

Bald Rick · Jan 15, 2024

DRC said:
Says a farm owner who no doubt will loose half of his living costs through The farm business.
Bit different if every penny you earn is needed to pay mortgage / rent, and every other cost of living you can think of .

If your motivation was solely money, then I wouldn’t employ you but of course the wage on offer is fair and would allow the employee to live and to contribute to a work place pension should they wish.

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