Is SFI panicking farming suppliers?

kfpben said:

I imagine the new Fendt dealer that opened up down the road 18 months ago will be getting a little nervous.

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Cab-over Pete said:

I find these threads, and we get them regularly, both amusing and insulting in equal measure.

Whilst some of you are quite insistent that “merchants”, in all their various shapes and guises, are nothing but money grabbing, blood sucking barstewards who leech off the backs of the poor, hard done to farmer, you conveniently forget that you’ve had to make next to no effort whatsoever to buy, say, a tractor. Or animal feed. Or fertiliser. Or for that matter lime, in my own case.

You have not had to organise haulage for any of these things, nor have you had to speak to massive, multinational companies to organise these things. You haven’t had to negotiate buying hundreds of thousands of tonnes of commodities and risk huge price drops and being left with expensive stocks.

You’ve had to make a phone call. Or maybe send an email. Yet all the rest of the work it takes to get a tonne of fertiliser down your farm drive you expect for f**k all.

Wake up. These companies are not farming companies. No more than Wrangler Jeans are. Or The Ford Motor Company. Or Nestle. They supply you so they can make money.

And they can do that because they set their price and you pay it. You don’t have to but you’ll soon run out of everything you need if you don’t.

Let’s not forget, if you could grow a tonne of wheat for £120 and someone offered you £220 for it, you would take it. You wouldn’t give a toss about the protestations of the consumer, or the starving hoards in some far off country. You would take it, because you can.

Nobody forces you to farm. Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you buy a tractor from a dealer or manufacturer. If you don’t like it, feck off the land and let someone else have a chance.

One of the the things that pisses me off most in life is some whinging 3rd/4th generation farmer who sees the farm that his dad and grandad mauled their balls off to buy as just a millstone around their neck. Fact is, they can’t be arsed to make any effort and are lazy. That’s what they become when they’ve been given it all on a plate with no rent, no mortgage and no risk.

Yet these “farmers” will still moan about everything bloody thing in life and how the whole world is against them.

Just accept that everyone needs to make a living. Some people like to make real money. The hard done to farmer would do exactly that if they could. It’s nobody else’s fault that the farmer is in a tricky position. Many, many people that supply farmers work hard too, with time away from home, long hours, huge pressure, high financial risk and sometimes in dangerous situations. And they can’t all wander into the house for breakfast or decide they’ll go and pick the kids up from school today.

You need the suppliers. They need you. If the whingers among you are dying to see your suppliers fail then I hope you’re applying the same “logic” to the suppliers of your clothes, cars, holidays, concrete, heating oil etc, etc, etc,etc until everyone has gone who makes a penny from you. And if you’ve diversified and are making money from paying customers I hope you feel bad about that. Taking money (for instance) off a young family who would like to stay near the coast for one week of the year with their kids?? You should feel bad about that, surely?

Some of you just talk a load of bloody shite. Either farm or bugger off and stop trying to drag others down to your level.

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warksfarmer said:

Farmers have no moral obligation to produce food at all. Been told to diversify for years so they subsidise food production themselves.

It’s the governments job not the farmers. If they want cheap food then reinstate BPS at £100/acre.

We’ve had no union representation for the last 20 years which is why this has happened because the union is in bed with the very entities trying to shaft the farmers.

What all these idiots forgot was that without farmers they don’t exist themselves so it’s about time they got their just deserves. Hopefully this will spell the end for the NFU, Red Tractor, AHDB, AIC then the BRC will have to start shafting imported food supplies to stay afloat themselves.

It’ll clear the crap out of the industry and allow it to start again without having the costs of the gravy train around farmers necks.

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Cab-over Pete said:

No, had a good day @lloyd

I’m expecting the usual “mind your own business, you’re not even a farmer “ replies and PMs.

Some on here need to realise that for every business making a fair return from their farmer customers, there are many who are working every bit as hard as they are and making sod all.

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Cab-over Pete said:

I find these threads, and we get them regularly, both amusing and insulting in equal measure.

Whilst some of you are quite insistent that “merchants”, in all their various shapes and guises, are nothing but money grabbing, blood sucking barstewards who leech off the backs of the poor, hard done to farmer, you conveniently forget that you’ve had to make next to no effort whatsoever to buy, say, a tractor. Or animal feed. Or fertiliser. Or for that matter lime, in my own case.

You have not had to organise haulage for any of these things, nor have you had to speak to massive, multinational companies to organise these things. You haven’t had to negotiate buying hundreds of thousands of tonnes of commodities and risk huge price drops and being left with expensive stocks.

You’ve had to make a phone call. Or maybe send an email. Yet all the rest of the work it takes to get a tonne of fertiliser down your farm drive you expect for f**k all.

Wake up. These companies are not farming companies. No more than Wrangler Jeans are. Or The Ford Motor Company. Or Nestle. They supply you so they can make money.

And they can do that because they set their price and you pay it. You don’t have to but you’ll soon run out of everything you need if you don’t.

Let’s not forget, if you could grow a tonne of wheat for £120 and someone offered you £220 for it, you would take it. You wouldn’t give a toss about the protestations of the consumer, or the starving hoards in some far off country. You would take it, because you can.

Nobody forces you to farm. Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you buy a tractor from a dealer or manufacturer. If you don’t like it, feck off the land and let someone else have a chance.

One of the the things that pisses me off most in life is some whinging 3rd/4th generation farmer who sees the farm that his dad and grandad mauled their balls off to buy as just a millstone around their neck. Fact is, they can’t be arsed to make any effort and are lazy. That’s what they become when they’ve been given it all on a plate with no rent, no mortgage and no risk.

Yet these “farmers” will still moan about everything bloody thing in life and how the whole world is against them.

Just accept that everyone needs to make a living. Some people like to make real money. The hard done to farmer would do exactly that if they could. It’s nobody else’s fault that the farmer is in a tricky position. Many, many people that supply farmers work hard too, with time away from home, long hours, huge pressure, high financial risk and sometimes in dangerous situations. And they can’t all wander into the house for breakfast or decide they’ll go and pick the kids up from school today.

You need the suppliers. They need you. If the whingers among you are dying to see your suppliers fail then I hope you’re applying the same “logic” to the suppliers of your clothes, cars, holidays, concrete, heating oil etc, etc, etc,etc until everyone has gone who makes a penny from you. And if you’ve diversified and are making money from paying customers I hope you feel bad about that. Taking money (for instance) off a young family who would like to stay near the coast for one week of the year with their kids?? You should feel bad about that, surely?

Some of you just talk a load of bloody shite. Either farm or bugger off and stop trying to drag others down to your level.

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David. said:

I suspect the gentleman has had half a lifetime of being told lime can be bought cheaper, from somewhere..

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Cab-over Pete said:

Most annoying thing was, as I was spreading the lime on the main road for this new customer I didn’t know, another customer drove by and called me to tell me not to do much for him. I dismissed it as sour grapes, but wish I had stopped the rest of the lorries tipping now.

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Cab-over Pete said:

Early October.

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Cab-over Pete said:

I don’t do things like that.

I did the job in good conditions, in good time, with the best lime money can buy.

All I expect is payment in good time.

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lloyd said:

What happens when the twichers find some rare ,protected bird at the
end of the agreement?

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T Hectares said:

I’m slightly bemused at the glee that’s being directed at our industry’s supply and support industry
Yes, some outfits and manufacturers have taken the pee but most are agents/distributors working on tight margins

Next thing, posters will be moaning there’s no one to come out quickly in harvest to fix their combines and balers when they want to crop their SFI in 3 years time

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Breakthru said:

In NZ when subs stopped overnight 10 per cent of farmers went bust but 90 per cent of suppliers went bust. Sphincter winking times ahead. We produce 30% more cereals than we consume so its going to take a lot of sfi and cut backs of inputs to create a shortage.

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Cab-over Pete said:

No, had a good day @lloyd

I’m expecting the usual “mind your own business, you’re not even a farmer “ replies and PMs.

Some on here need to realise that for every business making a fair return from their farmer customers, there are many who are working every bit as hard as they are and making sod all.

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Cab-over Pete said:

This blood sucking parasite term bemuses me.

Surely everyone you buy anything from is to be termed as the same?

Do you know what it costs to produce a pair of £80 jeans? I don’t, but I’ll bet it’s in single figures.

Are they parasites too?

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glasshouse said:

Should be £300 per acre for first 100 acre then nothing after that. Paid to actual people only, no companies, trusts or ngo s

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